UPDATE - Hey Doc, while you're at it... | TShirtSlayer TShirt and BattleJacket Gallery

astr0Wed, 15/02/2012 - 21:04

*edit*
I was contemplating about not saying anything at all, after reading the nonsense in response to my original post. The contradiction in some of them makes my head explode. But then I thought, maybe not everything is lost and I'll try to clear things up a little. I only can urge people to actually *read* and try to understand so many times... So, this is my final post:

- NOWHERE and NOT ONCE did I ask ANYONE to DELETE or CENSOR ANYTHING on this site!!
I actually sent a PM to Doc to bring to his attention, that some material could be problematic for him, depending on where this site is hosted.

- I assumed, the two shirts with the SS-skull, where removed from the Doc, because of their content. That's why I posted the links to the other shirts.
Seems like I was wrong - this happens. People sometimes are wrong. Maybe the user deleted them himself. Who knows? There were other people commenting on the two shirts besides me - you know who you are. Are there other moderators that could have deleted them? I don't know.

If you actually want a somewhat civilised discussion about this topic, shoot me a PM.

But now feel free to rape this thread some more...

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original post:

...deleting questionable content - why no take a look at these:

These are just the ones that caught my eye right away, but there are many more...

Tico Tyrant on Thu, 16/02/2012 - 02:47

no kidding eh

LaUlvenDrepe on Wed, 15/02/2012 - 21:20

What exactly are wrong with these? Aside from you disagreeing with their "ideology" that is...

I disagree with it myself, but that's no reason to be bigoted and try to get them deleted. In a small way, it's like sharing something in common, being intolerant. I know that's not nearly as bad as anything they stand for, but I don't care, it's just merchandise.

MoreGoreLessCore on Wed, 15/02/2012 - 21:42

can i ask what is there to question.. sorry to ask ^ ^

MoreGoreLessCore on Wed, 15/02/2012 - 21:43

is it a question about the rarity of the items?

philly on Wed, 15/02/2012 - 22:28

No, I think some of these shirts have NS influences.

Tico Tyrant on Wed, 15/02/2012 - 23:59

almostwilt on Wed, 15/02/2012 - 22:36

who cares about the content, we don't need censorship here. complaining about such is like a Christian telling DoctorDeath to delete all Satanic related shirts.

mayhempunk666 on Wed, 15/02/2012 - 23:43

NO Censorship on tshirtslayer. The second one picture is taken down because a user disagrees about the ideology(or imagery) of the band than all pictures must be taken down because im pretty sure everyone on this site disagrees with at least one of the bands ideologies.

Here is an example of what that could be like(only making a point. I dont agree with the action or the reasons given)

-All motorhead and lemmy merchandise should be deleted due to lemmy's early professional and personal relationship to Ian Stuart Donaldson and Skrewdriver(for those who dont know who that is, Skrewdriver was the pioneering RAC and White Power rock band)

- I would like this shirt and all other shirts displaying this flag removed because as a black person i find this to be deeply offensive and threatening towards me and people like me.

http://tshirtslayer.com/tshirt-or-longsleeve/nasville-pussy-no-ass-no-gr...

*im stopping here because i think the point has been made of how ridiculous censoring this site would be.

If censorship is ever allowed on tshirtslayer, I would like that both my account and all my uploads and comments be deleted. As am sure many other users will agree with this action.

Overall however, i seriously doubt doctordeath would ever begin removing content from this site simply due to the imagery and ideology of some bands or bar it from being uploaded.

Thats all i really have to say about that

Tico Tyrant on Wed, 15/02/2012 - 23:58

Astr0, this post disgusts me with how manipulative and narrow minded it is...not to mention you are pretty much singled out one user. Whether you agree with all of these bands doesn't matter, morality holds no place in metal. Let those who like the bands do what they will, learn to ignore it. I'm pretty sure if a real 'Nazi Uprising' was about to happen again, it wouldn't be done so under the banner of this kind of music. ***Note***, just because a band speaks about nationalism or promotes heathen imagery,talks about pride or roots, shows sun wheels and discusses hate for humans in general,has imagery of weapons, etc...doesn't mean it's "bad" music or "nsbm".

Many of these bands you have mentioned, do strictly support third reich theories, which is obviously a waste of time and I don't agree with it...but political correctness is an infection as well. I don't agree with all "NSDAP" metal, but I do like some bands that get labelled as 'NSBM', such as Graveland,Drowning the Light, Drudkh, Nokturnal Mortum and Absurd.

I also would note, bands such as Drowning the Light have had lyrics about Aryan's or controversial imagery, but that doesn't mean they are "nazi", slayer also has had lyrics talking about these things, does that make Slayer "nazi"? The same kind of thinking goes for the symbol of a death skull, it can often represent a figure of godhead for people who are devout Luciferian satanists, such as Azgorh(lead singer of Drowning the Light) and it is also related to Germanic and Scandinavian spirituality when adorned with a wreath, before the SS took it, other armies and social groups had used it. In the common case of clothing merchandise, unless it's adorned within the Iron Cross standard,or is on a Panzer uniform, I see no problem...and even if there is a problem from my perspective, I still don't promote blocking out said items.

Please take your censorship and shove it where the sun doesn't shine. I don't agree with all of this kind of music either, but by censoring this kind of stuff, you make yourself no better than the Antifa groups that close down major concerts and you put yourself on the same line of thinking as a person who believes in theology, begging for satanic merch to be taken down.

*Leiche*- His music collection is simply dedicated, I obviously don't like all the music, in fact I think some of it is nothing but filth and political propaganda, but that's true commitment on his part, whether you like it or not- Nokturnal Mortum, Striborg, Veles, Satanic Warmaster, Nocternity, Nåstrond, etc! All great bands and all are uncompromising forces of powerful black metal, a big part of black metal is hate, whether you like it or not. Just because you don't agree with them, doesn't mean you speak for the metal community at whole. I find it interesting, that when christianity is slandered in metal,it's fine...but if Judaism is questioned...everyone get's upset.
Point being, I highly disagree with censorship unless it's blatantly stupid merchandise, such as hitler's face or something.

Tico Tyrant on Thu, 16/02/2012 - 00:02

Hey while you are at it, why don't you come flag my Moonblood hoody because it has a sun wheel in the logo.

mayhempunk666 on Thu, 16/02/2012 - 00:13

+100000. You (as i did in my statement earlier) forgot to mention something though, an act of censorship such as this, is fully indicative of something a fascistic(with the potential of becoming genocidal) maniac, like HITLER would do. Taking what you dont agree with(for what ever reason, it doesnt really matter), singling it out, banning it, and then finally destroying it fully. Which is HYPOCRISY.

Tico Tyrant on Thu, 16/02/2012 - 00:19

Ah true, that didn't really occur to me immediately...it is indeed a form of hypocrisy. The fascists of the future will become anti fascists....
either way, I don't see Doctor Death going through with this...but if that is the case, I will be removing my account.

mayhempunk666 on Thu, 16/02/2012 - 00:34

ya neither do i, the only way he probably would is if like you said it was a giant picture of hitler's face or something like that

Cannibal corpse fan on Thu, 16/02/2012 - 02:24

+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

lak89 on Thu, 16/02/2012 - 03:08

Tico speaks the truth again, listen to the man!

Tico Tyrant on Thu, 16/02/2012 - 06:41

My view is merely an opinion, no one has to agree with it, but I am simply trying to be reasonable but assertive.

Skunkspritz on Fri, 17/02/2012 - 02:20

I would subscribe

Cannibal corpse fan on Fri, 17/02/2012 - 04:48

Ironbound on Thu, 16/02/2012 - 00:32

Are you kidding me? If we start censorship on here I'm gone.

LeprosyWillTake... on Thu, 16/02/2012 - 01:29

If these offend you... you should not go on this site and stop listening to metal... no offense

Cannibal corpse fan on Fri, 17/02/2012 - 04:54

MetalxThrasher on Thu, 16/02/2012 - 01:33

I agree, there should be no censorship on here.

Do you want to add my Anal Blast CD to that list as well? http://tshirtslayer.com/item/anal-blast Go for it, not like I'm taking it down anytime soon.

But I agree completly with what Leprosy said, if this stuff offends you, you really shouldn't be on this site. Or even looking at it for that matter. ;)

People on here toss around the "fag" word, but I don't get all butthurt about it. :D

astr0 on Thu, 16/02/2012 - 08:15

Ok, that's all I wanted to know.

I was just wondering, because two shirts with the SS-skull (Totenkopf) were removed (by yourself or the user) recently. yet still other shirts remain, with the same image or even swastikas on it.
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To the other posts regarding my inquiry: you obviously didn't read it thoroughly enough or understand/didn't want to understand it. do not read anything into it, that isn't there!
and to thoso who don't understand "what the fuss is about" - educate yourself. it's so easy with the internet as a tool. don't be so lazy.
any further response on my part would be pointless.

almostwilt on Thu, 16/02/2012 - 12:02

just thought id bring up, you did deleted and ban a guy for having some nazi thing on his kutte couple months ago.

non-existent user on Thu, 16/02/2012 - 10:06

if you don't agree with a shirt, just don't comment. commenting on it just brings it attention and makes it more prominent.

non-existent user on Thu, 16/02/2012 - 12:14

its your choice on whether you want to upload or not. if you did i still would respect your choice to do so, even if i didnt actually like the shirts.

and i also agree with tico on that point.

Beerfiend666 on Thu, 16/02/2012 - 12:59

FUCK CENSORSHIP AND FUCK THIS POST.

Bayernpirat

on Thu, 16/02/2012 - 15:28

looks like you have more a problem with Leiche than his shirts.
I know all his NSBM stuff but I don´t care for it

astr0 on Thu, 16/02/2012 - 17:33

looks like you have more a problem with Leiche than his shirts.
wie kommst Du darauf?
Hätte ich ein Problem mit ihm, hätte ich ihm das schon mitgeteilt.

Bayernpirat

on Thu, 16/02/2012 - 18:42

und wenns um die SS-Schädel geht, warum haste kein Burzum Shirt hier erwähnt:
http://tshirtslayer.com/item/burzum-einsatz
und da geht die Zensur los, dann musste alle Shirts mit solchen Symbolen raussuchen und melden

almostwilt on Thu, 16/02/2012 - 19:44

well lemme rip your new statement up.
your title says " Hey Doc, while you're at it..."
the "While Your're At It" Part obviously means deleting stuff, as he deleted IfTheyHadEyes' account/stuff. So thus meaning while hes at it= delete to say yet again, there no other thing you could be implying with such title. Obviously you want such material deleted thus would equal censoring on Tshirtlsayer, just because you're butthurt about it.
OOOOOH also to bring up this, you said and I quote " NOWHERE and NOT ONCE did I ask ANYONE to DELETE or CENSOR ANYTHING on this site!!" and look at what you put in your original post "...DELETING questionable content - why no take a look at these:"
>deleting questionable content
>DELETING!!!
soo all I say is good fight sir, you lost, dont bother making an argument against this as it will be invalid.

astr0 on Thu, 16/02/2012 - 20:19

you're a funny guy.... well, not really, since taking things out of context and talking shit, isn't really funny. but let me pick this apart:
"...DELETING questionable content - why no take a look at these:" is merely a continuation of the post title " Hey Doc, while you're at it...". So, slowly... as a full sentence it would read: "Hey Doc, while you're at it deleting questionable content - why not take a look at these:".
Where DO I request that he deletes anything? I was under the impression he already deleted similar content and was simply pointing out similar (not ALL!) stuff.
Is that so hard to understand?? Are you that simple minded, or so bad at understanding english (which is possible - I don't blame you). I feel like I'm talking to a bunch of kindergarten kids, covering their ears. And don't tell me what I'm implying - all that there is to know, is there, spelled out in words.

almostwilt on Thu, 16/02/2012 - 22:21

holy shit kid, really? "Where DO I request that he deletes anything?" you made NOOOOOOOO point what so ever you just proved that my argument was correct as you still seem to think yours is valid. And hard to understand? I read it clearly and anyone here can tell you that you're wrong and that the title PLUS the continuum with you beginning sentence means you DO and ARE implying you want such content deleted. You're German I can understand English WAAAAY better than you, its just the fact in your head you seem to think you're right.

almostwilt on Thu, 16/02/2012 - 22:23

+1 internet for you

Phosphorous_Redeemer on Thu, 16/02/2012 - 21:05

Some of these things you suggest should be banned are valuable additions to someones metal collection. I will correct you for including the Drowning the Light shirt- Death's Head is not rascist, it's militaristic insignia. The US armed forces use it to this day.

So find something more important to worry about.

Tico Tyrant on Thu, 16/02/2012 - 21:25

+1 About finding something more to worry about...and on the subject of your response, correct me if I'm wrong...(I'm more familiar with Canadian and British military gear) but didn't the marines utilize a form of a death type skull head from 45-onwards? Also, in early Polish military uniforms there was a skull head and a similar type "death" head used by Philippene forces in their early revolts against Spanish tyranny in the late 1800's.

mayhempunk666 on Fri, 17/02/2012 - 05:22

nothing at all

Cannibal corpse fan on Fri, 17/02/2012 - 05:22

NO censorship on Tshirtslayer!
lets say that i see a tshirt of a NSBM band and i dont agree with the bands ideology, i dont ask doctordeath to delete it and i dont whine about it, but if it is just an image of hitler's face, i will ask doctor death to delete it because that is stupid.just like tico just said.
personally i like nsbm and i believe that the way the music sounds comes first and i dont care about the ideology,but if it is just a picture of hitlers face then i have a problem with it.