Scammer Alert - Ethan R

By the time a case has been opened you can communicate with him through Paypal , he opened a case against you ( justified or not is not my concern ) . Has paypal asked for your point of view on the subject ? I believe it did . Paypal is giving 25 days until a decision is made ( 99% is in fabour of the buyer though)

Show us the tags of the shirts

If i may add my two cents, i accused Ethan before on multiple shirts on his profile, of them being incorrectly marked as vintage, when i thought i saw modern Gildan Tags, but in his defense, he was able to proof with the correct tag picture, that they were indeed vintage and authentic. He may be running a clever scheme here, but in my conversations with him, he was legit. Though, i have to admit, it all sounds extremely weird, on his site. So i'm leaning towards you videodiesease, also because i know YOU are legit. If you remember your Darkthrone - Under a Funeral Moon Shirt from Modern Invasion, that went to me...

If you have a dispute, sending threatening messages to the other side along the lines of "I know bad people in Europe and they are coming for you" as well as swearing and calling various names is going to put you already in a lower position in the deal.

THIS KIND OF BEHAVIOR IS ABSOLUTELY NOT TOLERATED HERE

as for your trader I have no idea, that's between you two.

I would like to clarify my position calmly and factually.
There is currently an open PayPal dispute regarding this transaction. I have provided PayPal with photos showing that the returned package arrived damaged and empty, including clear images of the shipping label and the visible tear on the parcel, etc. PayPal is now reviewing the case, and I am cooperating fully so they can reach a fair and objective decision.
I also want to make one thing very clear: messages sent by a third party are not my words and do not represent my views or my way of communicating. I am responsible only for what I personally write and say.
I opened the PayPal case solely because I received an empty package and was advised to let PayPal handle the situation objectively. I have not accused anyone publicly and I am not attempting to harm anyone’s reputation.
Due to repeated harassment, insults, and explicit threats directed at me after the PayPal case was opened, I will not be participating in further public discussions about this matter. I believe it is healthier and more appropriate to let PayPal resolve the dispute rather than escalate things publicly.
If needed, I am of course willing to discuss this matter privately with a moderator.
Once PayPal reaches a final resolution, I am willing to close this matter properly and move on.

Been following this story and just wanted to give my 2 cents

1:
Meat_to_meat looks to be a certified shirt expert, if he says they are not vintage, then I believe him.

2:
Ethan E does not sound like a scammer at all. He is dealing with this situation in a very calm and respectful manner, which cant be said for Meat_to_meat

3:
The package circumstances, combined with the other things, sounds suspicious. But keep in mind that all of this info has come from only one side of the story, so its hard to know how harshly to judge it.

4:
YOU SHOULD HAVE HANDLED THIS PRIVATELY

5:
I feel most sorry for Doctor Death. And im exhausted on his behalf

I highly doubt a post office would accept a package that's already been opened or damaged, so in my opinion, the package must have been destroyed during transport or by the recipient. If it was damaged in transit, that's a matter for the post office to report, not PayPal.

I assume the package was sent insured? And why did the recipient accept a damaged/open package? He should have refused delivery.

I want to clarify a few factual points, then I will step back from this discussion.
First, regarding the return package:
I did not sign for this package. It was found directly in my mailbox. The parcel was damaged on the side (opened) and completely empty. I immediately documented this with photos.
Second, regarding the “reprint vs vintage” debate:
Regardless of opinions, I accepted a full refund to resolve the disagreement and acted in good faith. The shirts were sent back to me, but I received no shirts at all, only an empty package found in my mailbox. I am now left without the shirts and without the money.
This PayPal case exists solely because of that situation. It was not opened to argue about tags or authenticity, but because the returned parcel arrived empty.

And so, like grains of sand through the hourglass, these are the days of our lives...

Missing from this entire discussion are the most obvious observations.

Switzerland is an affluent high-trust society even by EU standards.
Who the fuck would "steal" shirts from an envelope in Switzerland? Anyone can tell it's some random clothing inside, by touching/squeezing it. Because it was sent by regular post, it was a regular softshell envelope. Not the hard shell packaging from express couriers.

I assume the shirt package customs label didn't say "10k Diamond Rings Wrapped in Protective Cloth"? Yeah?
Nobody fucks with random clothing stuffed in random mail. Zero. None.

Which then leads us to notice other curious details that stand out:

-- Ethan R's insistence on shirts' vintage origin despite multiple corrections from diverse users
(Establishes stubborn insistence on being "right", instead of good-faith effort to at least disclaim full certainty in face of reasonable doubt. It's a site for documenting merch history -- either give proof to erase doubt or add clarifying note when official/bootleg status is unclear. Honest users have nothing to lose by this -- unless?...)

-- Bizarre unhinged messages from Ethan R's "friend" Danijel which wouldn't even happen if everyone acted in good faith, yeah?

-- Contrast in tone with Ethan R's own overtly polished, highly stylized public messages

-- Notably, Ethan R never posts photos of the allegedly torn-open mail package despite repeated verbal references he took photos

-- Most obvious of all, torn packages are an issue for post office, not for paypal.

-- How very convenient for Ethan R to suspect the sender of sending torn empty package (???) despite the obvious fact the post office doesn't accept a fucking open torn package as a legitimate deliverable parcel to begin with, and the sender obviously PAID and SENT it.

-- Ethan R's overtly polished formal tone full of procedural descriptions is a red flag and suspicious as fuck. Read it again and see. Hallmark of lying on the internet. Cognitive dissonance from lying prevents writing spontaneously, he has to imagine the entire scene first and only then describe it step by step to overcome dissonance from lying. Dirty conscience pushes for hyper-rationalization. Exactly what happens here. Textbook behavior.
(Source: let's say I have years of professional experience and intuitive pattern recognition dealing with scammer-prone sociopathy types and can spot these tendencies on sight)

Verdict:

meat_to_meat, bro you got scammed. As in, intentionally maliciously scammed. Not a mistake and not a miscommunication. This fella deliberately hoaxed his own robbery to open a paypal dispute and scam you. Seems like he justified it to himself based on his personal dislike of you, as if you "deserved" such treatment (note the weird harassing messages from his friend Danijel, what a contrast in tone to Ethan R's public statements!). Still, his dirty conscience pushes him to this public display of absolution and liability disclaiming. He's so focused on self-rationalizing to bury the guilt and shame that seeps through his replies, that he forgets to cover the most obvious tell: illogically blaming the sender (merely a projection of his own hate, if he acted in good faith as he claims, he wouldn't accuse you by opening paypal dispute to begin with!).

Innocent good-faith folk would have more questions than answers (including, what happened to the torn package and who tore it).
Meanwhile, Ethan R's got a whole ready description of events, including the omniscient mind-reading telepathy magic to Know Beyond All Doubt it was "you" the sender who tore the package and Jedi-Mind-Tricked the post office to affix actual legit paid postage on this torn empty package, affix official customs declaration on absolutely nothing, and even send it as a "package" and not A BLANK EMPTY ENVELOPE BY WEIGHT that it would have been.

Ethan R is so busy lying and scrubbing his dirty conscience he forgot how embarassing this sounds.

meat_to_meat, did you pay for this package by its size and weight? Even if regular post, it has different rates.

Can Ethan R produce photos clearly showing the stamps and/or shipping labels and customs labels on the allegedly "torn and empty" package? As in, clearly and legibly showing shipping labels and customs labels.
Will he post them here for everyone to see?

After all, if Ethan R is acting in good faith he has nothing to hide and will only be glad to clarify this for everyone.

meat_to_meat, if Ethan R is unable to produce photos clearly showing the shipping label and customs label on the allegedly "torn and empty" package, he has no business concluding the guilty party is you. Thus patently disproving his own claim. Use this information in your paypal resolution. Paypal surely has a built-in caveat against false claims like this so fucking obviouisly is.

+1 I feel the same about FarFarNorth insights on this

Odd of him to report that the shirts were stolen despite you having possession of them. If PayPal had any brains they could clearly see that he sent the 4 shirts voluntarily, and you had stolen nothing. As mentioned above customs would have immediately been alerted about tampered with mail and would have contacted the recipient and sender as this has happened to me before.

Anyone looking to do business with this guy, beware. He seems like he's selling legit shirts, but then skimping out on the full deal to make some extra money and sell of the other legit ones later for even more profit.

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