Do you consider Graveland to be "NSBM"? What do you think of "NSBM" as a label?

I would agree that it is a categorization, but I would also say, that under false interpretation, it has in a way become a "genre" or a sound all by itself, because it is immediately identifiable by certain bands approaches to metal.
Anyways, perhaps it is more of a categorization, but it definitely has a lot of influence within the sound of black metal and pagan metal.
Thanks for checking out my post!

Yes, there must always be a step back from the music to some degree, I'm glad you responded to what I wrote!

Hmnn I see what you are saying, I suppose though as a concept, or as a "system" it is flawed, not wrong in any way, though some seem to think it is, but it is flawed.I would agree that it does stem from the roots of a historical origin within many countries and has thus become a pattern of reality for earth. However, I think there are aspects of multiculturalism that can be refuted. For example to quote you

", most of the countries in the Americas have more or less "multicultural" societies, and they are a result of the discovery of already populated lands by other ethnic groups, that started immigration, and when they managed to make a society, this new product experienced again immigration by yet another ethnical groups. Therefore, multiculturalism is not some kind of system you can choose, like when you choose between communism or capitalism, or between brands of cheese in the supermarket. It is a thing that comes with the origin of a nation"

all of this is true,especially with regards to countries in the Americas, but I believe to a certain extent, there is a way to take a choice. One can not choose to avoid multiculturalism,as it does undeniably relate to immigration, which will never go away, nor should it..... but one can choose to avoid certain aspects that go along with multiculturalism. Certain factors,that by no means have been there since the origin of the nation holding dear the idea of "multiculturalism", take in hand the fact that this idea stems from the origin of a countries social standards, one must then question how integration affects this concept.

Multiculturalism opens up the boundaries for more social acceptance to: way of life, racial integration,tolerance, music, arts, etc; but, in turn,standards become skewed and it ends up bending this to a point where a society can actually become completely lost from what it's root existence really was, its own cultural arts, music, way of life, history, etc....an example, would be the country where I currently reside, Canada, which prides itself on being multicultural and inclusive, the downside is that Canada, can no longer logically be considered a "unique" nation as there seems to be no real identity to it's existence,nor are there any more easily identifiable "Canadian" principles, which leads into an issue of socio multiracial co existence.This of course, is probably going to be the continuing reality for places like North America and so it probably should be, but for other countries or places in the world, that have perhaps kept relatively isolated from outer ethnic or cultural influence, it is something that might have to be worked upon....something that will have to be improved, if it is ever expected to be accepted.

I think that there are certain places in the world that multiculturalism is actually becoming a standard for people to move into another society, but not integrate into it and therefore engaging in violent or territorial behavior over what was never theirs in the first place, a common example would be what parts of rural France are going through, with regards to tensions between ethnic Francophones and immigrant Muslims engaging in violence, violence that has come about because of a government mandated multicultural existence....

Thanks for reading the forum question Plague!

It's true there must be some kind of separation when listening to music,especially considering that not all music can realistically be taken intrinsically, especially if it's the artists personal vision.However, I think obviously with certain bands like Graveland, there must be some connection between the music's purpose and the sound, but it is how this connections is perceived by many metal fans, that I have an issue with.

Your comparison between these socio-musical subjects and their contrast against "acceptable" radio material, is a good example of part of what I am getting at.

I also know exactly what you mean about hating all people equally(to a certain degree)....but that's a whole other bag of chips!!

I don't really respect people who write tl:dr .I do respect people who, if they don't like large amounts of writing,or aren't interested in my posts,leave the post alone or move on. I did make a special message at the top of the post, before my writing, for all the people that complain about my large masses of words,to give them a heads up about the length and the options regarding comments, so you have no excuse to ignore that...it's not like it wasn't visible.

I also gave options to people, specifically for this forum post/question. If you find my writing annoying, or hilarious, or whatever, simply don't respond,or if you choose to respond...make the response worth my while, considering I went into effort to share my thoughts. Typing "tl;dr" on any post is no different from people who constantly troll people. So if you don't constantly troll people, then you also should have no reason to make pointless comments like "tl;dr". I think you will understand what I mean, hopefully! and thanks.

Well, thanks very much for reading my madness !(it's fueled by one cold beer "EIN BIER IST KRIEG" haha) I know what you mean about band members shifting personal approach, for example even Polish bands such as Thunderbolt, have members that at a younger age and even in early albums, that chose to rely heavily on NS views that mainly drew from nsdap ideals,so in a very weird way... the music was never "nsbm" but rather something else,attempting to offer a political basis to "black metal" but since then their music has changed. Even so, there has to be some level of separation between the music and the individuals and such is the case with Rob Darken.....bridging a direct gap between the two has always seemed weird for me and I know that the same things happen to bands like Satanic Warmaster and even at times Drowning the Light, or Horna.

I have recently found out that Darken has other musical affiliations and has personally done work with bands that follow a more strict approach such as you've mentioned, but as you've pointed out, for the majority of the time...his music in Graveland, *as it's own entity*, doesn't seem to follow this affiliation.

For some reason I thought Resistance Records released a different split featuring Graveland, but now I'm back tracking and can see that indeed Honor was with Graveland....it's helpful that someone else has a physical copy of the work, though I must say the whole arms straight out is certainly blatant....I always knew many musicians, especially in pagan and black metal scenes , did support certain controversial views, but I never expected the evidence of it, to be visually blatant !I guess the "NSBM" label for his music is maybe at the most, predictable, but certainly not accurate.

Anyways, I ask these questions and offer my views just so I know how others will think and because I'm interested in engaging topics. I've already had a few problems when I came up with the idea to share Graveland in these black metal forums that I am on, so when I can get a sense of how others agree, or disagree, interpret, etc..it allows me to deal with these issues in a more global manner. I do know that when I eventually get a Graveland patch, it's going to anger some people at shows, or perhaps be labelled as something....so I guess I better be ready for it!

Very good way of wording it, I definitely agree.