TShirtSlayer

We California metalheads are getting the antifa treatment here in the San Francisco Bay Area. Fuck these dirtbags!

Joel
Thu, 16/02/2017 - 05:35

This is what I'm talking about:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1361348427256383&id=11366880...

I'm already sick of this shit. I'm not even a big fan of Marduk  (I'm going more for Incantation than anything else. Opus Nocturne is great though and Heaven shall Burn & Nightwing are very enjoyable as well) but this is some bullshit right here. Frankly, I'm surprised Mayhem & Inquisition's show in San Francisco nine days ago went off without a hitch, as well as California Deathfest II four months ago. I guess Mayhem, Inquisition and Angelcorpse somehow miraculously managed to slip through Antifa's hysterical anti-Aryan dragnet undetected here in Northern California. What's next? Are these Oakland based anti-fascist fascists going to completely fuck up Behexen & Demoncy's upcoming west coast tour in Washington state, Oregon, and California in May? How about Maiden? Are they going to shut down their massive concert in Oakland on July 5th because they have conservative views and because Bruce Dickinson is critical of the European Union? It's T minus three nights until this show and I'm glad that both Marduk and the Metro (the venue) aren't giving in to these criminal control freak pests. The show must go on!     


DoctorDeath

antifa have a proven record of using violence and intimidation to achieve their goals, last time i looked in a dictionary....

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ter·ror·ism ˈterəˌrizəm
noun
the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
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Joel

Regardless of whether it's Leftism or right wing thought, this kind of behavior is criminal and it's also un-American. One of my local friends told me yesterday that the Oakland Police Department have learned about it and are stepping in to make sure these people are kept in check.

ajnin

i had to google antifa

Joel

Educate yourself!

VoodooChild

We have alot of problems with them in the netherlands now too. A lot of times a concert from a black metal band comes I hear they treatened the clubs who booked the gig.
I would've gone to a gig this sunday if it wasnt cancelled due to Antifa.

Joel

Bomb threats I'm assuming. Wow, that's the kind of shit that lands you in the big boy penitentiary here in this country! Yeah, I know about how the organizers of Netherlands Deathfest have to watch their backs because of these thugs.

VoodooChild

tbh idk about bombs or not, they never give detailed info only: threats of violence by antifa.

Joel

Well yeah, it's very vague.

Snaggletooth

Their scheme is to scare the owner of the place holding the event and sometimes it works,at least that's what I heard from a guy out in the east coast,believe me if I was young and this shit happened around me I think there is a enough metalheads to take them on,their a bunch of cowards.

Joel

They are cowards. They sucker punch and pepper spray people! The really violent ones are the kinds of people who throw molotov cocktails. Can you picture something like this happening in the Bay Area back in say...1984 or 1985? Paul Baloff would have personally tarred, feathered and ridden pricks like these out of town on an Amtrak rail!

Snaggletooth

Yeah you know it haha I'd stick that flag pole where the sun don't shine.

DoctorDeath

this is the definition of terrorism.

nameless_rites

Their attempts to stop Marduk gigs so far this tour haven't amounted to much. I saw the video of them at the Austin show; just a small crowd picketing from across the street while the show went on. Doesnt seem like any fucks were given by anyone outside their little club.

Joel

Good! I hope things go just as smoothly in Oakland on Saturday.

nameless_rites

I dunno Oakland is about as pathologically leftist as a city can get. If you have issues anywhere it'll be there; unless they all got burned up in the Ghost Ship. Just bring a few dozen eggs to hurl in case they get testy :)

Joel

I won't be doing that, but I will stand my ground. We are in the shadow of UC Berkeley directly to the north after all.

Joel

Keep in mind that Austin is also super liberal.

Stathis

Antifa and fascists are the exactly the same shit... No one is allowed to have different opinion than them..
As far as I remember Morbosidad's Uk tour was canceled because of vegan antifas. The excuse was that Morbosidad use cows/pigs heads on their lives so they threatened and the promoter...
Fuck them.. There will DEFINITELY be more people at a Marduk/Incantation live than the antifas protesting. If they want a fight just crack their skulls open as any free man would do when some hipster douchebag is not allowing him to listen to the music he likes...

Joel

The far left and the far right are just as bad as each other. I remember all that drama surrounding said band's tour in the UK. I'm not looking to end up behind bars, but I will defend myself if necessary. Oh, and I continue to rapidly lose patience with hipsters as well.

DoctorDeath

i dont think violence is the way, you're just playing them at their own game. lawyers and jail time is best, what they are doing is terrorism by the legal definition, you cant fight a fire with a fire

Joel

I'm not talking about aggression, I'm just simply talking about defending myself if somebody attacks me. You are right though, criminal prosecution is the best route.

metalmaciejmetal

Problem with the legal system is that you might have activist judges that will side with the antifa criminals. Take for example the terrorists attempting to launch an acid attack at Mike Cernovich's Deploraball a few months ago. THese asshole just got a slap on the wrist with community service. What they need is hard time in the federal "fuck you in the ass" prison.

bad_american1992

Not a Marduk fan but I might show up to taunt these cucks hahaha

Joel

They deserve it.

bad_american1992

Dude I'm not seeing tickets for the event, did the Metro cave and cancel the gig? It's not even on their website calendar anymore.

Joel

I don't know. I hope they didn't give in and cancel.

NocturnalOccultist

SJW liberals can fuck off! so does antifa and other terrorized groups such as BLM n ISIS

Joel

To be fair, there's plenty of center-left people who think antifa are retarded.

Fatal Agent

Those anti fascists are a bunch of fucking idiots, they even prevented a show in Germany with Behemoth and Mgła. Suffice it to say it's enough reason to shut down a gig when a band member knows someone who is on a 'right' label/band or whatever.
Here, a girl was even attacked from such douchebags because she was simply wearing a Burzum shirt.

Joel

They're non-thinkers. Behemoth and Mgla have played here in the Bay Area and antifa didn't get triggered by their visits at all. I also saw a girl wearing a Graveland - Thousand Swords shirt at Mayhem and Inquisition's show in San Francisco a week and a half ago and I didn't even flinch! It's completely over the top. I know that Inquisition used to be signed to No Colours and it didn't even bother me. They're a strong band and they were amazing live!

SmirG3l

I don't really feel need to comment this article but I just looked at it quickly and that shitty website called facebook is so horrible.. you even pasted mobile link which on PC is even more horrible. So in case you don't want to visit facebook and view it in simple plain text here you go: http://ix.io/bx1

Joel

Thanks. I really don't have any problem whatsoever with viewing it on Facebook however. I have a very active Facebook account myself.

DeathRipper

Antifa are nothing but a bunch of leftist thugs!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO2H_yT9A0U

DeathRipper

Antifa are nothing but a bunch of leftist thugs! They rioted at the presidential inauguration and at Berkley college over Milo Yiannopoulos giving a speech.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO2H_yT9A0U

Joel

I don't like Breitbart, Steve Bannon, our national embarrassment in chief or Milo Yiannopoulos but I think he should have been allowed to give his speech regardless of his deep seated politically incorrect beliefs.

DeathRipper

I completely agree!

DisgustingSemla

I'll just leave this here https://youtu.be/uVRUhwPa1So

Joel

Jesus fucking Christ man, is this what European metalheads have to deal with on an almost daily basis over there?

DisgustingSemla

Cancelling gigs because of Antifa is becoming more and more common. A Finnish Black Metal festival called Turku Saatanalle had to cancel two bands because of Antifa, Naer Mataron (one of their members is a member of the Greek party Golden dawn) and Sielunvihollinen (they have anti-islamic lyrics)

Joel

I'm familiar with the former but I've never heard of the latter. Isn't Naer Mataron an apolitical band?

DisgustingSemla

I think they are, it was simply because of the political view of one of their members

Joel

Golden Dawn is unbelievably right wing, but at least his views are completely separated from the band's material. I don't know if I agree with that particular ban.

LifeOfDeath

And I heard the Golden Dawn member isn't even in Naer Mataron's live lineup.

Joel

Then my question for these antifa firebrands is simple: "What's the problem?".

DisgustingSemla

Damn, I already thought the whole ban was ridiculous as fuck, but that makes it even worse.

ArchonSatanic

I have a Naer Mataron shirt. I don't think any band should be barred from playing no matter what their political beliefs are. If I have to listen to Gwar's and Brujeria's garbage, then why can't they deal with Naer Mataron, or Graveland? ...and what galls me is that WE get all the shit for intolerance. Well leftists have never been the lot for being adults and accepting responsibility for their own actions though. Nothing is ever their fault.

jenn_devilz

haha try being a transgender female metalhead. I hate anyone that's racist. i remember years ago people throwing fits when Marilyn Manson played in KC and walked off stage. It caused a riot.

R.J.

Marduk and similar hate groups are single-handedly the biggest threat to international peace today. Forget religious extremism, forget climate change, forget Trump's ties to Russia. Throw that shit on the back burner. We're talking about BLACK METAL NAZIS here. These heroes deserve our support.

Joel

Hallelujah brother! You tell it like it is!

nameless_rites

Yeah everyone knows that singing about ww2 automatically makes you a Nazi right... Angel of Death anyone?

Joel

That song is maybe the most famous example.

BlackMetalPete

Was on the fence about going(seen Marduk three times,Incantation four times) but I think I will go.

Joel

I'll see you there man!

Into Glory Ride

First, sorry for possible mistakes / typos. Hose damn phonekeyboards are just too tiny for m hands...

We got alot of trouble with them in Germany too, friends having the pleasure of personal experience / encounter aswell.
Not even mentioning the outrageous reactions surrounding the Trump inauguration. I do not talk about the embarassing "Women's march" of fat chicks with pussyhats but about radical, violent marches of antifa marching through Chicago and smashing Starbucks Windows , demonstrating "for a bettrr world". Ridicolous and uncomfortable. Question to the American folks: Did show this in Mainstream Media? Actually though what i do not understand: why do Metal Fans not stand up against them? Don't get me wrong, i am for peaceful solutions and nonviolent behavior. But as soon as those cowards show up, (especially Black) Metal supporters should show them their limits. On the other hand it is probably an unknown and intimidating situaton to face a masked thug with a baseball bat in front of You, i do not wanna sound like a hero or bigmouh. But the sheer number, the mass of Metal senthusiasts in suvh a situation should suffice, i think?
But probably the liberal education stands in the way. Kids are told not to defend themselves. There is a good Interview of the eagles of Death Metal singer about that. And he faced terror eye to eye.

Anyway, i think one of the biggest issues - besides the liberal education - is the ridiculous double standard. I did not see chains of people holding hands for victims of left violence, nor did i see massive protest in the media. A good example not of leftist violence but it falls in the same category of double atandard: the kidnapping and torturing of the white disabled boy by some blacks "because You voted trump". It is always helpful to switch protagonists to evaluate a case or situation. One should paint a picture of some whites torturing a black disabled boy "because You voted Obama/Hillary".

But probably alot of this will change in some years.

Snaggletooth

I think metal fans over here would stand up to them but they never show up they put the fear into the venue owner and he calls it off in some occasions.

Into Glory Ride

Yeah, that is the most - in lack off a better word - scary thing about that situation. that a small radical minority has so much power (often secretly supported by the government actually, at least here in Germany)

Joel

The mainstream media has shown some of it, but it's slightly underreported. Metalheads are known for being the most passionate and hardcore music fans on the planet and these people are wrong if they think they can intimidate us into submission. Those kids who did what they did to that boy deserve to be in jail. I know all about that story and I'm disgusted by it. On the other hand, I'm also disgusted that we've got a cracker as Attorney General of this country. We need some real balance.

Into Glory Ride

Thanks for that inside insight!
I agree, well said. Someone should show them their limits. Or as it says on a German Shirt: "Antifa, keep Your fingers off Black Metal, or else we'll break them". Damn right.
About the Kidnapping: Of course it is normal to be disgusted by that, and i am glad that alot of Blacks also raised their Voice and spoke out against it. But what is even more disgusting is the refusal of public people in the News to call this a "hatecrime". Instead they talked about "some pranks from some Youngsters". That is just awful, as i said: just reverse the signs. There would probably be a marketplace named after the victim, memorial days, enforced sanctions against White Nationalists, etc.

Joel

Nothing prankster like about what they did to that kid. They belong in cells!

LSSAH

I missed this show last week, sadly. I was going to bring my totenkopf mini flag and waive it in front of them, and I'm not even Caucasian.

LSSAH

God damn it this made me regret missing the show more! :((((

Joel

It was a badass show!

Joel

Antifa clowns weren't even there! They didn't make one single peep about that show!

LSSAH

Ah the show I was referring to was in Atlanta. Good to hear you attended

Joel

Thanks.

Trumpisarapist

So you are crying over nothing?

Joel

I don't cry over nothing, I get pissed off over bullshit.

Trumpisarapist

You are crying over someone cancelling a show because the band features NS symbolism and then blame scapegoat because you cannot accept the idea that NS symobolism is close to nazism and the far right - which want to destroy metal because it promotes non conservative beliefs - and that having a bunch of idiots that are most likely Neo Nazis (or at least the crappy hippie filed black metal version) around is not a good idea.

Hate the people who make this such a norm in metal culture, stop using NS imagery and ego stoking nazi losers then maybe they won't be shut down?

Joel

There's a difference between having a morbid fascination with taboo subject matter and actual support for Nazism. Slayer have always incorporated National Socialist themes into their imagery and they're going to start touring again soon. Are you going to completely fuck that up too? You don't know anything about Metal music or culture and your ignorance is really shining through right now. I'm not even a big fan of Marduk, but they didn't deserve to be banned from playing in Oakland. They've toured everywhere (Israel included) and was even featured on the most recent 70,000 tons of Metal cruise for fucks sake. If you think the members of that band are actual Nazis then you and I need to take a tour of certain wings of REAL underground Black/Folk/Pagan/Aryan Metal sometime and I could introduce you to some real white supremacist pigs. Bands like Marduk do not even come close to the fringe.

Trumpisarapist

I am not calling the band a bunch of Nazis, I am stating that having nazi imagery in your music/band will have a negative reaction and often have people calling you a nazi/neo nazi and trying to get you shut down. This is because of the real nazi dickheads that use metal as a vessel of hate and idiocy and that if the metal community rejects those dickeads and stopped using imagery from a failed ideology then maybe they won't be shut down as often. It's like using christen imagery and then singing about Satan and telling your fans to beat each other up then wondering why you are banned from preforming at Christian events.

And please don't make assumptions on my personal life, I am a diehard Agathocles fan.

nosanctuary

Trust me if you were spewing this shit in person you wouldn't have lasted half this long. Lucky that the Internet allows people to go on and on with no consequences. Antifa should be wiped from existence.
All I'm going to say on the matter as I don't feel like getting banned today.

Joel

Yeah, well guess what? Motorhead used NS (or at least NS adjacent) imagery and I never heard a peep from you guys about their concerts. Also, where were you guys when Inquisition recently toured stateside with Mayhem? After the shit Dagon said I thought antifa would have tried shutting down that San Francisco show I attended in a heartbeat. Antifa need to learn how to use more critical thinking. Thanks for admitting however that the band members aren't actual Nazis. Oh, and one more thing. I was walking home a while back and I saw a skinhead wearing an Arkona shirt and I correctly identified this guy as a true Nazi criminal thug, and believe me, politically incorrect albeit responsible metalheads want nothing to do with people like that either.

metalmaciejmetal

Arkona the russian folk band or the polish black metal one? Or is it something else?

Joel

The popular Russian band.

Korpi

Normal people don’t “call you a nazi/neo nazi and try to get you shut down.” because normal people don’t prejudge a band without knowing the first thing about them or stick their nose into subcultures and then tell them “how it should be”. Normal people live their life without joining terrorist organizations and threatening people because they listen to music.

Also your first act on TSS is to show up and tell everyone here how wrong we are, what about posting something music related?

Joel

Keep in mind by the way that the staff of the Oakland Metro read countless interviews with the band going back decades and found zero evidence of them being White supremacists or actual card-carrying Nazis, although they are admittedly a politically incorrect band.

Korpi

By your logic we should censor curse words, gore, and satanic themes too. Metal is not about censorship last I checked. And no one group has ownership over symbolism; nazis stole much of their symbolism from various religions and those religions have suffered undue prejudice because of it.

A political left group made a illegal threat of violence and a political left state sent police officers to shut it down. There is absolutely no way you can spin this to blame the political right because they simply are not involved.

Keep your terrorist neo-fascist “anti-fascist” garbage out of other people’s business

Trumpisarapist

I am not saying that we would censor it, I am saying that we should stop using it. Because it's shit.

fagylalt

you know what is shit? antifa telling us whats shit and whats not

Joel

No shit my friend!

metalmaciejmetal

Good point. I wouldnt take advice from those sorts of losers. Unless its a cautionary tale "dont do drugs or you'll turn out like me"

Korpi

That's the very definition of censorship!

If we quit using any symbolism that is offensive to one group, there would be no logos left in the entire world; heck there probably wouldn't be any form of communication left. No matter what you do or say it is going to be offensive to someone, part of becoming a functional human being is learning not to be offended so easily or learning to cope with it. Its called coexistence, something groups like antifa can't comprehend because they exist entirely to complain and oppress other groups, that's why "anti" is in your groups name. You are the oppressive neo-fascist problem you claim to fight!

Trumpisarapist

So by your logic, if someone makes a band about Isis, all the people protesting would need be quiet about it or learn to not be offended by it? What about a band releasing a video in which they kill kittens in horrific ways?

Just because you can use a logo doesn't mean that you should, as I said, I don't care about nazi logos if the band is not a nazi band. But they should not use them because it represents a shitty idea and is just a crap thing.

Also please don't talk about coexisting with other groups, since you can't comprehend coexisting with antifa or people who don't want to see nazi imagery in metal.

fagylalt

pretty sure, those filthy nsbm bands arent playing in your living room, why not let people into venues and watch concerts they want?

DonLittleDuck

"releasing a video in which they kill kittens in horrific ways"
Show me one video where an nsbm band has footage of them torturing and killing xy ethnicity people. Having lyrics about killing kittens; sure it's not the sign of a healthy minded individual but as long as it's just "barking dogs" and not "biting dogs" you should not "chain them".

Joel

Antifa are just hysterical.

Korpi

By my logic, I don't give two fucks if isis want's to make a band because it's not any of my business if they want to play music. If they want to show up, threaten people who host my show, violently attack bands, and generally do illegal things because they hate another group then there is no place for it because that is terrorism. This is exactly what antifa does, antifa does not show up and say "lets play music", they say "lets go here and ruin somebody else's music and fun because we hate them for no logical reason".

deadlock

"Just because you can use a logo doesn't mean that you should, as I said, I don't care about nazi logos if the band is not a nazi band. But they should not use them because it represents a shitty idea and is just a crap thing."
I personally enjoy Marduk's imagery, but that's fine, its pretty subjective and we don't have to agree if its lame or not. The problem is Antifa continue to try defaming and shutting down such bands even after being informed they aren't actually nazis. So instead of signing up for this site just to defend antifa's right to annoy Marduk, you should be calling out your fellow antifa members for acting like idiots and giving your cause a bad name.

If you want metal heads to take antifa seriously, then stop harassing harmless metal bands. You're pissing off people who might've otherwise been sympathetic to your cause. Just stop.

metalmaciejmetal

Interesting you mentioned an ISIS band. After 9/11 when I found out a bit more about Islamic terrorists and Al Quada I was wondering why there isn't a black metal or death metal band with a terrorist gimmick. THe Satanist gimmick has been over used for years. When you have Gwar playing these outlandishly evil blood thirsty monsters, what about playing the role of terrorists? I envisioned the band having their faces covered and wearing militant style clothes and maybe they can do executions on stage like gwar does. I would go to see a band like that.

I would rather not coexist with antifa parasites. I don't want my taxes to go towards lazy filthy people with drug and mental problems. These idiots bring crime, vandalism, lower property value, make the city look like a toilet. I prefer having pleasant neighbours that are a net positive to society. Thankfully these jack asses are nonexistent in Toronto

bad_american1992

Look everyone, a faggot!
Were you too frightened voice your opinions in this thread with your actual account?

invisible-horizons

The Oakland show is officially cancelled.

Joel

I found out about it two hours ago dude. Nice fuckin' job antifa!

Snaggletooth

Well this should show all the people out there that these fucks are gonna take over your scene if you keep letting it happen.

Joel

No shit man. They're home wreckers!

Marduk Warwolf

tonite's show,Feb. 18th in Oakland is cancelled by the police department.
both antifa,commies,leftists,right-wings and nazi-shitheads who think that Marduk are a nazi-band are idiots and their lifes are worthless than the worms... SLAY THEM ALL!
FUCK ANTIFA! FUCK NAZIS! FUCK COMMIES! FUCK R.A.B.M.! FUCK N.S.B.M.! HAIL MARDUK!

Extravasation

As someone who lives in the Bay Area and wants to start going to shows more, this is just messed up. The last thing we need are more shows being taken over by this in the future.

Joel

Go to Google and look up a professional troll from UC Berkeley named Angela Dancev. We have her to thank for all of this.

Extravasation

Looks like she's the reason for Disma not being at California Deathfest too. Well, this is just great *sarcasm*.

Joel

We knew that about a year and a half ago. I reject National Socialism and the foolish things Craig Pillard said, but Disma, who's entire artistic image is completely apolitical and non-racial should have been kept on the bill.

Extravasation

Can't disagree with that.

nameless_rites

These organizations - BLM, antifa, occupy wall street etc are usually comprised of the same individuals; I remember some people from school who would go on to take part in "actions" later in life - they tended to be awkward guys - low paid service jobs, unathletic, difficulty with girls, stoners - you know the type. Mostly attracted to this stuff for the possibility of increasing their social prospects and finding something to do. They're not the type to be feared; look at that video of their "action" in Austin when the club actually called their bluff. Just a handful of losers whining to no one while the show went on as planned.

However, in places like Berkeley, SF etc you can occasionally get enough of them together in black masks to act out their little "street revolutionary" fantasy before they go back to stocking shelves at the local community food co-op the next day. If you feel the need to get revenge on them, just don't leave a tip the next time you buy a latte. If I was in any kind of metal band, I would refuse to play in the bay area until clubs get their shit straightened out re: securing shows. They've had this problem for years and should know better by now.

Joel

I do know the type all too well. I'm not scared of these people at all and neither is the Oakland Metro for that matter. To be fair to them, they never caved in to pressure from antifa. They finally cancelled the show after the Oakland Police Department made their decision and talked to the Metro staff in person. I can't believe the police of all people would side with these clowns.

nameless_rites

They are pathetic indeed; did you see that blackmask guy who punched that nazi blogger during that CBS interview during the inauguration? The guy who punched him got doxxed on 4chan and turned out to be an actual scat fetishist. These movements always attract some real winners, I tell ya...

Joel

I know exactly what you're talking about man. I disagree with the ideology of Richard Spencer, but that was a douchebag move made by that kid. Oh, and a scat fetish? That's fucking nasty!

nameless_rites

The "kid" was at least 45 and yes, there are photos of him being crapped on for anyone who actually would dare to look them up. Just gives you an idea of the people who go in for this nonsense.

Joel

Slayer have Necrophiliac and Dismember have Skin her alive but at least neither band is ACTUALLY into that shit!

bad_american1992

"If you want to get revenge, don't leave a tip next time you buy a latte" Hahahaha fuckin' dying mate +1

SaTaNiC TyRaNT WeReWoLF666

funny thing is most of these antifa fags are a bunch of rich collage kids who are 25yr old beta virgins living with there parents that have no female attention
its fucking sad really they pepper spray people and punch them from behind it tells what kind of pussy's we have here most of these losers dont even listen to metal

Korpi

You nailed the truth on the head. These are non-metalhead, ignorant young political activists, punks, sjw, etc who literally don't give a shit about anything other than oppressing as many people as possible to get their point into the media. They move from subculture to subculture trying to cause a fuss until people realize they're useless contraindicative scum. It sucks metal is their current target, and don't let their antifa flags fool you their target is not just nazis but indiscriminately ALL metal. Venues need to stop saying "no" or "yes" and simply ignore their cries or call the police.

SaTaNiC TyRaNT WeReWoLF666

i know right fuck reasoning with these people if you see them just beat there ass into the pavement that's the only language they know

SaTaNiC TyRaNT WeReWoLF666

these peaple are like going on witch hunt looking for these mythical neo nazis that dont exist

Joel

Hahaha...

ToxikAssault

I've been reading lots of news lately about these type of groups getting concerts/events cancelled for not being "politically correct" etc. I find it weird how it's A-OK if the songs are about blood and gore, but the moment they include some political opinions that differ from these antifa groups, then it's apparently crossing the line.

Joel

And what's weird is that they don't even seem to be all that consistent. Some shows get called off while others go on as planned without any problems.

longe666

I once had to cancel a band I booked on one of the festivals i Organized. Received a lot of hatemail by Antifa and they were gonna come and start fights if the band was going to play. Had to change my whole lineup almost last minute.

Joel

They excel at that! That's what happened when Skeletal Remains replaced Disma at the first California Deathfest here in the Bay Area about a year-and-a-half ago.

satan's radish

Antifa thugs and SJW outrage culture: Basically half the reason a populist blowhard like Trump got elected. The irony is so good, it must be fattening. Keep up the good work, comrades. The road to Hell and all that...

Joel

Can't we just transform into a well adjusted center-left, center-right society? Is that too much to ask?

SaTaNiC TyRaNT WeReWoLF666

George Carlin said it best
https://youtu.be/hkhUivqzWv0

Joel

Carlin is legendary. I first heard his material in 1998. I've heard that one too and I love it. Thanks for sharing.

larz

It comes down to this...antifa is an organized movement that thrives on disruption of whatever it is they decide to disrupt. It does not even have to be meaningful or based on facts. They have no ideology except finding a reason to be disruptive. There are other groups, equally as organized that have a lot of experience with the tactics of disruption. A lone idiot with pepper spray does not compare to what groups such as the black bloc can do. They are technically savvy and mobilize quickly, blend in and out of crowds. They are the ones who turn peaceful marches and protests into vandalism and violence. So antifa linking up and learning how to do this is very dangerous.

The metal scene is just one impacted area of these "anarchists" or whatever label they choose to adopt. Metalheads don't want to be bothered with mobilizing to fight these disruptive groups. We are more interested in the music, getting loaded and having fun. In the case of Marduk shows being protested and even shut down, that is the result of the police taking preemptive action and ordering the club to cancel the show rather than risk a protest with vandalism and violence. So the disruptive groups have won some victories so far at the metal scene's expense.

Joel

Black bloc are just criminal thugs. What happened in Oakland last month was that city's police department not having enough time to properly assess the circumstances and adequately prepare for a potentially violent confrontation between antifa and us.

Cannubis

Black bloc is a tactic they use, it's not actually a group technically speaking. Learnt that from inauguration coverage.

DoctorDeath

ter·ror·ism - ˈterəˌrizəm noun - the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

Joel

Maybe they can bring Incantation or Sinister with them and they can play at the Social Hall in San Francisco. I like that venue quite a bit despite the $12 beers.

Marduk Warwolf

hey how can I ''turn off' notifications for this topic - its getting boring more and more :(

xasthur1349

You get an email for every post that happens. Find the original email and there is a link that says "Stop getting emails from this thread" or something like that. If you click it, it will disable notifications.

nosanctuary

Attendees of metal shows that have antifa protesting outside should directly confront the protesters. It is the only way to strike fear into them and stop this ridiculous habit of black metal shows getting shut down.

Joel

It may have to come down to that.

mpdsfoad

left wing and antifa are both retarded and should be crushed

satan's radish

Ehm... actually, it's the whole lot of you people on both sides who make sweeping statements like "all ____ are retarded and should be crushed" that make up this entire problem.

jenn_devilz

This is why i always vote against the 2 parties lol. Why cant people let others be themselves. If we wanna listen to super satanic music with cut off sheepsheads we should be allowed!!! And if people wanna bitch thats what the internet is for!!!

jenn_devilz

Im actually a GIRL but i totally agree. The lasttime I checked this was 'Merica. We can do whateva we want within the reason of laws. The fact people protest a fucking concert is prepostrous and rude!!!

Joel

No shit man. You beat me to it. I hate this Joseph McCarthyesque way of thinking on either side. Let paranoid, far-left fanaticism and paranoid, far-right fanaticism eat each other alive.

heavymetalskinhead

Not really, lol its pseudo intellectuals like you who do

Tools

Kill all fundamentalism, I say :)

Joel

I'm with you.

Tools

It's a pretty fascist thought though, yet appealing

Joel

You're actually right, it is fascistic in its own right. No, what we've got to do is talk to law enforcement. Tell them that regardless of whatever their ideology is, it's their job to POLICE people, which means keeping easily triggered thugs in check.

andermatten

ew, political thread. dr death's in on the discussion though, so it should be ok. I've always had a soft spot for antifa and they keep the skinheads in check here every may 1st. although I disagree with their (and black bloc) tendency to excessive and often senseless violence.

I never listened or inquired into marduk because I heard they had this brown touch, so I don't know anything about them. though they have cool shirts. the other day I find a pdf of an old magazine on wiki wherein their german immigrant guitarist said he was proud of the fact his grandad was a german officer in WWII.

seriously, somebody tell me this is fake. and you wonder why antifa turn up at their concert.

Joel

What you brought up in the second paragraph is questionable, but it's still a Witch hunt in the end.

andermatten

https://sendbackmystamps.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/nordic-vision-3-199..., page 5-6

admittedly, I (of all people) own a couple of anal cunt shirts myself and simply love 'hitler was a sensitive man' and 'I went back in time and voted for hitler', but you're not stupid, I don't need to explain the difference here.

Joel

No, you don't need to explain the difference. Still, there's shit in underground Black Metal that is infinitely more inflammatory than what I just read. If somebody is triggered by that, then there really is no hope for that person.

andermatten

what did antifa actually do? tell me, I don't know (I live in a safer place). was anyone killed? or injured?

Joel

They did what they always do. They troll the internet, go through a band's history with a fine toothed comb, and then when they find anything remotely objectionable, they completely lose their shit and SHUT IT DOWN...BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY. The venue actually refused to cancel the show and good for them for standing their ground. The only reason it was cancelled is because the Oakland Police Department talked to the Oakland Metro in person and told them to cancel the show out of concern for public safety. No one was killed or injured. The show was canceled nearly a day and a half before it was scheduled to take place.

Into Glory Ride

On the other hand, if they all would look like her ....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ttf-9Cmux1U

Joel

Yup.

heavymetalskinhead

Fuck Antifa, the only good thing about them is that those drug addicted fucks are fun to beat down

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