Whats your opinion about the multiple uploads at TSS with new modern patches with different forms, brilliant colors and so on?
I think most of the members are here to show, trade or sale the Vintage stuff (mostly patches) from 70s to late 90s.
Its annoying to see everyday tons of new bullshit patches uploaded here and I wanna know if its also for you or its just my point of viewš
Paganinfear on
I'm really really sick of it, they're all boring. I love tshirtslayer but lately I've been less active mainly because all of these shit uploads.
Glad I'm not the only one!
Blade of Tokyo on
Hell yeah. Its also even hard to find those old school gems which are up for trade or sale because they just drown in that shitload of modern patches.
Maybe a limitation for uploading patches would be nice (like only 10 uploads each day).
Agrunge hippie ... on
I mean I guess if the band is pretty popular it does get annoying but what about small bands that have patches I think small band merch should be preserved
Superfly on
i have not and will not care for modern productions, modern shirt quality is beyond poor, overpriced, & uninspired.
Modern patches arenāt unique, and the overflow of bright colors & shapes was interesting for 10 seconds, but now itās all nonsensical garbage. Especially pull the plug patches. iāve heard stories of shitty business practices, and them shutting down smaller distros with threats of lawsuits.
Sure āvintageā patches werenāt the best quality, but a lot of you would be lying if you said you didnāt like the wear and tear that a lot of vintage patches get over time.
There are modern patches that have good quality, some of you remember MetalboƤrse, great quality stuff. The Defiance logo stands out to me, big black rectangle with a big powerfull logo in the middle, with good threading, reminiscent of classic patches, but different. There are plenty of other good smaller out there aswell.
My biggest issue is shirts, i hate the modern metal āfontsā and styles, it feels like modern cars. What i mean is that if you strip away the band logo, or the album cover name, you wouldnāt be able to tell what fucking band it is. For instance, take a modern Slayer tour shirt, and compare it to a modern festival shirt, or any number of the modern ābringing back 80s thrashā band designs. Maybe iām just complaining with this one, but you take a look at an oldschool white Tankard shirt, with an old man Santa Claus flashing his balls, thatās recognizably tankard. Thatās heavy metal.
There are and always will be exceptions to what i said, some vintage stuff just looks ugly, and is uninspired, and some modern stuff is really interesting and cool to look at. There are always examples that āprove me wrongā but iām talking generally, and from what iāve seen.
Agrunge hippie ... on
I may be young but I strongly agree with your statement and yes to be fair if you took the band name out of a lot of the shirts I have on my account it just becomes the other basic you can find at the thrift t-shirt maybe not for something iconic like type o negative or death for example but for the small band's it's certainly true then again you can't complain if the band is small it's usually a lot harder for those guys then an already establishment band
Superfly on
itās all about finding artists whose style you like, and how it melds nicely with your band. have a vision for what you want & donāt settle for less than. if you half ass it then your gonna get half assed results.
Beer.Browser on
Fully agree on the modern shirts, I find a lot of modern shirts from legacy bands at the thrift that I collect and sell on other platforms. I donāt post most of them on here because they just look lame as fuck.
Itās depressing how many ācoolā bands are riding on their own coat tails.
Superfly on
The current state of metal merchandise needs a big shift. i can ignore prices, i understand, being in a band trying to make money is hard. Most of bands money nowadays comes from merch, but if your gonna charge $50 for a sweater, give me a damn cool print! not some pink and green nonsense vic rattlehead. (looking at you Megadeth!!)
Iām even fine with re-upping old designs! Anthrax had a string of fantastic art that was pressed on shirts, Testament had great shirts (Metal Balls comes to mind š), Savatageās 1990 Gutter Ballet shirt is great, previously mentioned Tankard had some amazing black and white shirts, throughout most of their 80s and 90s run. A large majority of death metal bands in the 90s had great stuff too. Cannibal corpse in particular had great stuff.
If your gonna print album covers, have a little fun with the colors, the great thing about oldschool screen printing is that you had to pick 3, maybe 4 colors max, each layer of the shirts print is an individual color. This gave way to some really cool new imaginings of album covers. Makes the art pop when you have to pick only one shade of red, blue, black, etc.
Beer.Browser on
100% agree, plus the colors look so *muted* in an awful way. Not to mention softstyles, cheap printing practices and expensive prices. Horrible combo.
Most of the best modern merch Iāve seen is 1-2 screens for openers. In the last 10 shows Iāve been to over half the time the openers / mid acts had some of the best merch. Headliners have predominantly been lame as hell.
bad_american1992 on
In my opinion you can't have one without the other. Where do you make the cut off? Seeing a wall of Poser Tax Patches uploaded to the front page is indeed a dreary situation. But there are loads of modern patches that I enjoy. Take BHMOXM for example.
That said too, vintage goodies were hard to get in 2013 when I made my account, and in 2024 some are just impossible to track down now. Looking for a a Sinister "Cross the Styx patch"? I haven't seen one for sale in years. The next generation of thrashers will, by definition, need some patches to deck their kuttes out; what we're seeing is what's available to them.
Maybe instead of blocking the patches we can get a feature that filters out for users uploads from specific bands or specific offending accounts if they are flooding the homepage. Basically the opposite of "following"
Superfly on
i do agree with this, the new era of thrashers need patches. itās a shame however, that they are getting less than.
Vintage patches have their ebbs and flows, i donāt think that well will ever dry up, 40 years later we are still buying and selling NOSā¦
Agrunge hippie ... on
This is also pretty true I believe if the internet was advanced like this in the 70's-80's this would go for the vintage 70's to 90's patches too
Better Off Dead on
We already have a filter for release year.
phantasm on
Yeah - I agree. Every piece of shit design doesn't need a patch or a shirt limited to 50 copies. Has really gotten out of control in the past year or so.
It all just looks bad. Heavy Metal anno 2024 is just a marketplace, so what can you do.
brainwashedbylsd on
Sees new entries list for the day...Its all modern patches "clears all". I feel the same way man.
Could be difficult to make a change on this though perhaps
Beer.Browser on
I agree, but who is the gatekeeper? I love how 60% of all 200 stab wounds posts are the same PTPP BP :/
Edit: I think that TSS should add a filter similar to ebay that says āVintage: Yes / Noā and allow it to be toggleable
Superfly on
100% add a vintage filter.
Paganinfear on
Good idea!
bad_american1992 on
This raises the age old question... what quantifies Vintage? Before 2011? Before 2020? I would consider an original Warbringer shirt "vintage", but someone who grew up in the 80s probably wouldn't.
Beer.Browser on
Thereās a rule in the vintage community of 20 years. Or there could be tiers as well: 30 years old, 20 years, 10 etc.
Superfly on
20 years old is vintage. my 2000 land rover is vintage. in 2000, 20 years ago was 1980, and that was considered vintage then, same rule should apply nowā¦. which makes 2004 vintageā¦ haha, holy shitā¦. 20 years is the go to rule in my book.
I do like what beer browser says, having tiers for a vintage category, either formatted as decades, 1980s, 1990s, or having it 31 or 22 years old. if you know specifics.
Heavy Grave on
Yes! Vintage button should be a feature! I have to put VTG on the title of every old item because I know thereās people only interested in vintage stuff.
If this feature was available one could filter out the modern stuff and would be easier for buyers to locate stuff in profiles, searches or in the trade/sale section.
Joop on
If you are tired forbid new patches or search other page. I thought this is a free page where everybody can show their stuff without beeing judged! Some people like new stuff, some like vintage stuff... if you don't like just don't click or watch it, no one forces you to watch or buy it!! To each his own!
Paganinfear on
Actually we are kind of being forced to look at them since the whole 'new uploads" is flooded with them..
Spectrum on
Righty right!
Spectrum on
Thanks for all the coments and points of view, it's cool to read I'm not the only one Who think the same:
I think this Page was created for vintage stuff or at least It was until the last 5 years or so, for collectors and by collectors. Miss those days where only a few items were uploaded day by day but mostly all of them where interesting. Now it's a hard job to see a cool upload between +50 PTPP or similars.
Maybe I'm getting older, but zero interest in modern Merch.
Superfly on
i think a lot of us are very much only interested in vintage stuff. I might have modern RISK stuff on my page, but itās simply for collecting purposes, nothing beats oldschool originals!
Azraelle on
Well somehow, you're killing new bands. I meen newer bands can't bring out vintage stuff. I completely get what you're talking about, since I was on my first metal concert 1987 and I LOVE old stuff from bands. I'm still trying to get some old LPs and Merch from Amorphis, Bolt Thrower aso.. But beside the point, I think it's ok, if it at least looks great, I mean good quality aso. I especially love sometimes, when it's just black and white. For me it's extremely important to support new bands and events. Also TSS claims they wanna preserve stuff for future generations. I thinks that's an on going process, isn't it?
Spectrum on
I understand your point of view. I'm also in a band and we have merch like patches and shirts. But that's not the point about I was talking about, simply I was just saying that for me and for more people, this web site is or was mainly oriented into old memorabilia and not about new stuff.
Azraelle on
Ok, but they don't seam to see this as a problem, or they would do something about/against it?
tokmangel on
Is it really that black and white? I mean I get the whole ācommercialization of art is inherently badā and that all the patches in flashy shapes and colors in ālimitedā releases can get tiresome. But in my limited experience that is far from all merch being released today.
I love metal and I love merch, but still I donāt own one single piece of vintage merch. Does this really make me less of a metal head? All the merch I own is relatively new, and I absolutely adore most of it, both in terms of overall design and in terms of quality. Otherwise, why would I even be collecting the stuff?
I donāt know, Iām just rambling at this point. But it feels kind of disheartening to read ārawr, all modern merch is shit no matter what, only vintage is realā as a person whoās extremely passionate bout both the music and the merch, but doesnāt necessarily have the funds or the opportunity to be buying the vintage stuff. Also, Iām into a lot of newer bands, meaning that all the merch of said bands is inevitably ānewā, what is the thoughts on this? I mean, the ādeath of metalā has been loudly declared countless times at this point, but alas; metal is alive and well, both in the mainstream and in the underground.
With all that said, I do think the idea of clearly marking posts with either āvintageā or āmodernā seems like it could be a useful feature.
Beer.Browser on
This post is honestly a subtweet about one guy who spams a shit ton of similar patches every day. It spams out other interesting stuff.
Spectrum on
Haha you got It!!
Agrunge hippie ... on
Wich guy?
Better Off Dead on
Iāll give you a guess. Pic for scale
Better Off Dead on
All patches are limited unless blue grape is still making patches. =/
Vintage patches came in different border colors and shapes
Things evolve and change. Thatās life. Bands change (genre) just like patches (shape, color, size etc) and it keeps the merch/music interesting. I donāt want to see the same limited color square patch being reproduced over and over. So Boring
This is me agreeing with you btw š
nameless_rites on
I don't really care about patches either way, but around the early 2010s official shirt quality went down the toilet. The "Gildan softstyle" era will not be well remembered, thankfully the shirts disintegrate after 10-15 washes so there probably won't be many left to look back on in the future.
Thankfully the Instagram/Facebook high end bootleggers are starting to make good stuff available again, Outer Garments shirts are far superior to any modern official shirt.
Dan on
Things change.
People change.
Music changes.
Fan change.
The world changes.
Patches change.
Is it for the good ? Fuck no.
Do I care ? Fuck no either.
That being said, being melancholic, in the olde days everything was better....
uhuhu..hard to get the cool stuff without the internet ages ago.
I wore my shit with pride then.
Now still do.But it's so much easier getting stuff.Including patches.
Are we beign flooded ? Yes.
Is it bad ? No.
We need young blood to keep it alive.If that means squinting because of childish patches so be it.
no_teleology on
Modern patches today become vintage patches tomorrow; there are still great designs being put out by distros like Woven Hoof, Bloodlikerain, Diabolic Force, etc. With that being said, the market is completely oversaturated with new distros popping up every other week selling the same tired designs with the same 20 or so bands. And yeah, don't even get me started on PTPP and their ugly shapes. There's really no reason to start a new distro at this point, as there are almost no unfilled niches left in the patch community..
oldmate on
I do love the old patches, but also like the new ones. I do support new distros when they have band approved patches that there are no vintage options for
Like I would not get a new style metallica patch, unless there is no vinage version of the same kind of thing, or if I like the colours / shape of the new one.
I do like new patches with the old style - example is this 2023 metallica patch - https://tshirtslayer.com/patch/metallica-chirstmas-2023-patch-metal-hamm...
doomtilldeath on
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doomtilldeath on
Nowadays I prefer buying new merch from shows and support the bands rather than pay some random dude a fortune for their old stuff. I got tired of it years ago.
oldmate on
Good point, I get alot of merch from the bands merch table and pay cash, but not a over priced logo patch.
Thane on
I like both. I like thousands of bands at this point and many of them are new. I guess I should just be only stuck in the 80ās and listen to only 80ās bands or not get any merch for newer bands I like so I can be perceived as cool!
Edit: you all realize thereās a āfilter by printed yearā option when searching bands right? If the uploader posted the item with the correct year then itās easily searchable.
Edit again: Only old patches with washed out and a few colors are cool!! *Meanwhile, has flags and albums with the full color art displayed in their room*
Better Off Dead on
Couldnāt agree more. A post about something that already has a solution. (No offense to op)
Thane on
Cheers dude
Better Off Dead on
As an enjoyer of all merch vintage and modern. I really donāt get this post. This site would be very bare without unloads of all kinds. Not everyone likes vintage patches or can even afford them. That what makes tss so amazing is that no matter what youāre looking for modern or vintage, vinyl or CD, patch or shirt, official or bootleg, woven, printed or embroidered, black metal or death metal. Itās all a fingers tip away. Iām not sure if you know this or not but you can search any type of merch by year. What you are looking at is probably what is uploaded at that given time. Now about the different variants. I do think unloaders can upload all of the same patches of different variants into one post. For example if itās just border color differences ie blood invention black, blue, green border all in one post but honestly thatās up to them. It really doesnāt bother me. Just donāt upload the same exact patch twice as itās unnecessary and floods the forums. Unless if you own one and are trading or selling a duplicate. Uploads is what keeps tss thriving. Donāt like a piece of merch? Scroll on, itās that simple.
Thane on
Exactly. Easy enough to just scroll further or narrow your search
Better Off Dead on
This whole post was made bc of one guy. Pic for scale js
absolutedefiance138 on
For the most part patches annoy me because it clogs up collections and band pages. Like this is tshirtslayer not patchslayer. And the more modern ones do annoy me a little too because of all the ridiculous shapes for the sake of ridiculous shapes. But my main issue still applies to the old ones. Idk but that's just me
CountWurdulak on
Gateskeeping forever !!!!!! all those modern patch suck hard ballls, its nice to see im not alone in this sea of bad taste !