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Tired of modern patches

Spectrum
Wed, 20/11/2024 - 06:31

Whats your opinion about the multiple uploads at TSS with new modern patches with different forms, brilliant colors and so on?

I think most of the members are here to show, trade or sale the Vintage stuff (mostly patches) from 70s to late 90s.

Its annoying to see everyday tons of new bullshit patches uploaded here and I wanna know if its also for you or its just my point of viewšŸ˜…


Paganinfear's picture

I'm really really sick of it, they're all boring. I love tshirtslayer but lately I've been less active mainly because all of these shit uploads.

Glad I'm not the only one!

Blade of Tokyo's picture

Hell yeah. Its also even hard to find those old school gems which are up for trade or sale because they just drown in that shitload of modern patches.

Maybe a limitation for uploading patches would be nice (like only 10 uploads each day).

Agrunge hippie on a quest for heroin flyingfish2's picture

I mean I guess if the band is pretty popular it does get annoying but what about small bands that have patches I think small band merch should be preserved

Superfly's picture

i have not and will not care for modern productions, modern shirt quality is beyond poor, overpriced, & uninspired.

Modern patches arenā€™t unique, and the overflow of bright colors & shapes was interesting for 10 seconds, but now itā€™s all nonsensical garbage. Especially pull the plug patches. iā€™ve heard stories of shitty business practices, and them shutting down smaller distros with threats of lawsuits.

Sure ā€œvintageā€ patches werenā€™t the best quality, but a lot of you would be lying if you said you didnā€™t like the wear and tear that a lot of vintage patches get over time.

There are modern patches that have good quality, some of you remember MetalboƤrse, great quality stuff. The Defiance logo stands out to me, big black rectangle with a big powerfull logo in the middle, with good threading, reminiscent of classic patches, but different. There are plenty of other good smaller out there aswell.

My biggest issue is shirts, i hate the modern metal ā€œfontsā€ and styles, it feels like modern cars. What i mean is that if you strip away the band logo, or the album cover name, you wouldnā€™t be able to tell what fucking band it is. For instance, take a modern Slayer tour shirt, and compare it to a modern festival shirt, or any number of the modern ā€œbringing back 80s thrashā€ band designs. Maybe iā€™m just complaining with this one, but you take a look at an oldschool white Tankard shirt, with an old man Santa Claus flashing his balls, thatā€™s recognizably tankard. Thatā€™s heavy metal.

There are and always will be exceptions to what i said, some vintage stuff just looks ugly, and is uninspired, and some modern stuff is really interesting and cool to look at. There are always examples that ā€œprove me wrongā€ but iā€™m talking generally, and from what iā€™ve seen.

Agrunge hippie on a quest for heroin flyingfish2's picture

I may be young but I strongly agree with your statement and yes to be fair if you took the band name out of a lot of the shirts I have on my account it just becomes the other basic you can find at the thrift t-shirt maybe not for something iconic like type o negative or death for example but for the small band's it's certainly true then again you can't complain if the band is small it's usually a lot harder for those guys then an already establishment band

Superfly's picture

itā€™s all about finding artists whose style you like, and how it melds nicely with your band. have a vision for what you want & donā€™t settle for less than. if you half ass it then your gonna get half assed results.

Beer.Browser's picture

Fully agree on the modern shirts, I find a lot of modern shirts from legacy bands at the thrift that I collect and sell on other platforms. I donā€™t post most of them on here because they just look lame as fuck.

Itā€™s depressing how many ā€œcoolā€ bands are riding on their own coat tails.

Superfly's picture

The current state of metal merchandise needs a big shift. i can ignore prices, i understand, being in a band trying to make money is hard. Most of bands money nowadays comes from merch, but if your gonna charge $50 for a sweater, give me a damn cool print! not some pink and green nonsense vic rattlehead. (looking at you Megadeth!!)

Iā€™m even fine with re-upping old designs! Anthrax had a string of fantastic art that was pressed on shirts, Testament had great shirts (Metal Balls comes to mind šŸ˜‚), Savatageā€™s 1990 Gutter Ballet shirt is great, previously mentioned Tankard had some amazing black and white shirts, throughout most of their 80s and 90s run. A large majority of death metal bands in the 90s had great stuff too. Cannibal corpse in particular had great stuff.

If your gonna print album covers, have a little fun with the colors, the great thing about oldschool screen printing is that you had to pick 3, maybe 4 colors max, each layer of the shirts print is an individual color. This gave way to some really cool new imaginings of album covers. Makes the art pop when you have to pick only one shade of red, blue, black, etc.

Beer.Browser's picture

100% agree, plus the colors look so *muted* in an awful way. Not to mention softstyles, cheap printing practices and expensive prices. Horrible combo.

Most of the best modern merch Iā€™ve seen is 1-2 screens for openers. In the last 10 shows Iā€™ve been to over half the time the openers / mid acts had some of the best merch. Headliners have predominantly been lame as hell.

bad_american1992's picture

In my opinion you can't have one without the other. Where do you make the cut off? Seeing a wall of Poser Tax Patches uploaded to the front page is indeed a dreary situation. But there are loads of modern patches that I enjoy. Take BHMOXM for example.

That said too, vintage goodies were hard to get in 2013 when I made my account, and in 2024 some are just impossible to track down now. Looking for a a Sinister "Cross the Styx patch"? I haven't seen one for sale in years. The next generation of thrashers will, by definition, need some patches to deck their kuttes out; what we're seeing is what's available to them.

Maybe instead of blocking the patches we can get a feature that filters out for users uploads from specific bands or specific offending accounts if they are flooding the homepage. Basically the opposite of "following"

Superfly's picture

i do agree with this, the new era of thrashers need patches. itā€™s a shame however, that they are getting less than.

Vintage patches have their ebbs and flows, i donā€™t think that well will ever dry up, 40 years later we are still buying and selling NOSā€¦

Agrunge hippie on a quest for heroin flyingfish2's picture

This is also pretty true I believe if the internet was advanced like this in the 70's-80's this would go for the vintage 70's to 90's patches too

Better Off Dead's picture

We already have a filter for release year.

phantasm's picture

Yeah - I agree. Every piece of shit design doesn't need a patch or a shirt limited to 50 copies. Has really gotten out of control in the past year or so.

It all just looks bad. Heavy Metal anno 2024 is just a marketplace, so what can you do.

brainwashedbylsd's picture

Sees new entries list for the day...Its all modern patches "clears all". I feel the same way man.
Could be difficult to make a change on this though perhaps

Beer.Browser's picture

I agree, but who is the gatekeeper? I love how 60% of all 200 stab wounds posts are the same PTPP BP :/

Edit: I think that TSS should add a filter similar to ebay that says ā€œVintage: Yes / Noā€ and allow it to be toggleable

Superfly's picture

100% add a vintage filter.

Paganinfear's picture

Good idea!

bad_american1992's picture

This raises the age old question... what quantifies Vintage? Before 2011? Before 2020? I would consider an original Warbringer shirt "vintage", but someone who grew up in the 80s probably wouldn't.

Beer.Browser's picture

Thereā€™s a rule in the vintage community of 20 years. Or there could be tiers as well: 30 years old, 20 years, 10 etc.

Superfly's picture

20 years old is vintage. my 2000 land rover is vintage. in 2000, 20 years ago was 1980, and that was considered vintage then, same rule should apply nowā€¦. which makes 2004 vintageā€¦ haha, holy shitā€¦. 20 years is the go to rule in my book.

I do like what beer browser says, having tiers for a vintage category, either formatted as decades, 1980s, 1990s, or having it 31 or 22 years old. if you know specifics.

Heavy Grave's picture

Yes! Vintage button should be a feature! I have to put VTG on the title of every old item because I know thereā€™s people only interested in vintage stuff.
If this feature was available one could filter out the modern stuff and would be easier for buyers to locate stuff in profiles, searches or in the trade/sale section.

Joop's picture

If you are tired forbid new patches or search other page. I thought this is a free page where everybody can show their stuff without beeing judged! Some people like new stuff, some like vintage stuff... if you don't like just don't click or watch it, no one forces you to watch or buy it!! To each his own!

Paganinfear's picture

Actually we are kind of being forced to look at them since the whole 'new uploads" is flooded with them..

Spectrum's picture

Righty right!

Spectrum's picture

Thanks for all the coments and points of view, it's cool to read I'm not the only one Who think the same:

I think this Page was created for vintage stuff or at least It was until the last 5 years or so, for collectors and by collectors. Miss those days where only a few items were uploaded day by day but mostly all of them where interesting. Now it's a hard job to see a cool upload between +50 PTPP or similars.

Maybe I'm getting older, but zero interest in modern Merch.

Superfly's picture

i think a lot of us are very much only interested in vintage stuff. I might have modern RISK stuff on my page, but itā€™s simply for collecting purposes, nothing beats oldschool originals!

Azraelle's picture

Well somehow, you're killing new bands. I meen newer bands can't bring out vintage stuff. I completely get what you're talking about, since I was on my first metal concert 1987 and I LOVE old stuff from bands. I'm still trying to get some old LPs and Merch from Amorphis, Bolt Thrower aso.. But beside the point, I think it's ok, if it at least looks great, I mean good quality aso. I especially love sometimes, when it's just black and white. For me it's extremely important to support new bands and events. Also TSS claims they wanna preserve stuff for future generations. I thinks that's an on going process, isn't it?

Spectrum's picture

I understand your point of view. I'm also in a band and we have merch like patches and shirts. But that's not the point about I was talking about, simply I was just saying that for me and for more people, this web site is or was mainly oriented into old memorabilia and not about new stuff.

Azraelle's picture

Ok, but they don't seam to see this as a problem, or they would do something about/against it?

tokmangel's picture

Is it really that black and white? I mean I get the whole ā€œcommercialization of art is inherently badā€ and that all the patches in flashy shapes and colors in ā€œlimitedā€ releases can get tiresome. But in my limited experience that is far from all merch being released today.

I love metal and I love merch, but still I donā€™t own one single piece of vintage merch. Does this really make me less of a metal head? All the merch I own is relatively new, and I absolutely adore most of it, both in terms of overall design and in terms of quality. Otherwise, why would I even be collecting the stuff?

I donā€™t know, Iā€™m just rambling at this point. But it feels kind of disheartening to read ā€œrawr, all modern merch is shit no matter what, only vintage is realā€ as a person whoā€™s extremely passionate bout both the music and the merch, but doesnā€™t necessarily have the funds or the opportunity to be buying the vintage stuff. Also, Iā€™m into a lot of newer bands, meaning that all the merch of said bands is inevitably ā€œnewā€, what is the thoughts on this? I mean, the ā€œdeath of metalā€ has been loudly declared countless times at this point, but alas; metal is alive and well, both in the mainstream and in the underground.

With all that said, I do think the idea of clearly marking posts with either ā€œvintageā€ or ā€œmodernā€ seems like it could be a useful feature.

Beer.Browser's picture

This post is honestly a subtweet about one guy who spams a shit ton of similar patches every day. It spams out other interesting stuff.

Spectrum's picture

Haha you got It!!

Agrunge hippie on a quest for heroin flyingfish2's picture

Wich guy?

Better Off Dead's picture

Iā€™ll give you a guess. Pic for scale

Better Off Dead's picture

All patches are limited unless blue grape is still making patches. =/
Vintage patches came in different border colors and shapes
Things evolve and change. Thatā€™s life. Bands change (genre) just like patches (shape, color, size etc) and it keeps the merch/music interesting. I donā€™t want to see the same limited color square patch being reproduced over and over. So Boring
This is me agreeing with you btw šŸ˜‰

nameless_rites's picture

I don't really care about patches either way, but around the early 2010s official shirt quality went down the toilet. The "Gildan softstyle" era will not be well remembered, thankfully the shirts disintegrate after 10-15 washes so there probably won't be many left to look back on in the future.

Thankfully the Instagram/Facebook high end bootleggers are starting to make good stuff available again, Outer Garments shirts are far superior to any modern official shirt.

Dan's picture

Things change.
People change.
Music changes.
Fan change.
The world changes.
Patches change.

Is it for the good ? Fuck no.
Do I care ? Fuck no either.
That being said, being melancholic, in the olde days everything was better....
uhuhu..hard to get the cool stuff without the internet ages ago.
I wore my shit with pride then.
Now still do.But it's so much easier getting stuff.Including patches.
Are we beign flooded ? Yes.
Is it bad ? No.
We need young blood to keep it alive.If that means squinting because of childish patches so be it.

no_teleology's picture

Modern patches today become vintage patches tomorrow; there are still great designs being put out by distros like Woven Hoof, Bloodlikerain, Diabolic Force, etc. With that being said, the market is completely oversaturated with new distros popping up every other week selling the same tired designs with the same 20 or so bands. And yeah, don't even get me started on PTPP and their ugly shapes. There's really no reason to start a new distro at this point, as there are almost no unfilled niches left in the patch community..

oldmate's picture

I do love the old patches, but also like the new ones. I do support new distros when they have band approved patches that there are no vintage options for

Like I would not get a new style metallica patch, unless there is no vinage version of the same kind of thing, or if I like the colours / shape of the new one.

I do like new patches with the old style - example is this 2023 metallica patch - https://tshirtslayer.com/patch/metallica-chirstmas-2023-patch-metal-hamm...

doomtilldeath's picture

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doomtilldeath's picture

Nowadays I prefer buying new merch from shows and support the bands rather than pay some random dude a fortune for their old stuff. I got tired of it years ago.

oldmate's picture

Good point, I get alot of merch from the bands merch table and pay cash, but not a over priced logo patch.

Thane's picture

I like both. I like thousands of bands at this point and many of them are new. I guess I should just be only stuck in the 80ā€™s and listen to only 80ā€™s bands or not get any merch for newer bands I like so I can be perceived as cool!

Edit: you all realize thereā€™s a ā€œfilter by printed yearā€ option when searching bands right? If the uploader posted the item with the correct year then itā€™s easily searchable.

Edit again: Only old patches with washed out and a few colors are cool!! *Meanwhile, has flags and albums with the full color art displayed in their room*

Better Off Dead's picture

Couldnā€™t agree more. A post about something that already has a solution. (No offense to op)

Thane's picture

Cheers dude

Better Off Dead's picture

As an enjoyer of all merch vintage and modern. I really donā€™t get this post. This site would be very bare without unloads of all kinds. Not everyone likes vintage patches or can even afford them. That what makes tss so amazing is that no matter what youā€™re looking for modern or vintage, vinyl or CD, patch or shirt, official or bootleg, woven, printed or embroidered, black metal or death metal. Itā€™s all a fingers tip away. Iā€™m not sure if you know this or not but you can search any type of merch by year. What you are looking at is probably what is uploaded at that given time. Now about the different variants. I do think unloaders can upload all of the same patches of different variants into one post. For example if itā€™s just border color differences ie blood invention black, blue, green border all in one post but honestly thatā€™s up to them. It really doesnā€™t bother me. Just donā€™t upload the same exact patch twice as itā€™s unnecessary and floods the forums. Unless if you own one and are trading or selling a duplicate. Uploads is what keeps tss thriving. Donā€™t like a piece of merch? Scroll on, itā€™s that simple.

Thane's picture

Exactly. Easy enough to just scroll further or narrow your search

Better Off Dead's picture

This whole post was made bc of one guy. Pic for scale js

absolutedefiance138's picture

For the most part patches annoy me because it clogs up collections and band pages. Like this is tshirtslayer not patchslayer. And the more modern ones do annoy me a little too because of all the ridiculous shapes for the sake of ridiculous shapes. But my main issue still applies to the old ones. Idk but that's just me

CountWurdulak's picture

Gateskeeping forever !!!!!! all those modern patch suck hard ballls, its nice to see im not alone in this sea of bad taste !

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