ive always been curious about how metalheads actually feel about satanism in metal,ive asked some of my friends but most of em just give the stupid generic answer "fuck ya hail satan!" what do you guys really think?
we have to keep in mind that most of the bands yelling hail satan! really do not believe in the lyrics they are saying. i mean, kook at Tom Araya. He's a practicing catholic. that said, i do enjoy satanism in metal, although i am agnostic, i like that most outsiders, who have never listened to extreme metal before would be afraid of an album cover with a pentagram on it. But if you're looking for true satanism, don't look to metal, it's just a bunch of kids running around playing guitar loud and flashing the devil horns, that's not satanism it's just a shock tactic really.
I can't stand that shit with poser bands. slipknot poses with that shit sooo much it fucking hurts. and I think it's more of a Black Metal thing..... I don't care about Bm so whatever
Du bezahlst für ihren Segen
Für die Angst vor dem Tod
Dein Geld hält sie am Leben
Gibt ihnen ihr täglich Brot
Du hängst an ihren Lippen
Und du glaubst dass du sie brauchst
Dann klammer dich an sie
Bist du verfaulst
Ich scheiße auf die Kirche
Ihren Pabst und seinen Segen
Ich brauch ihn nicht als Krücke
Ich kann alleine leben
Falls du das nicht kannst
Ja, falls du ihn brauchst
Werde mit ihm glücklich
Doch zwing mir nicht deinen
Glauben auf
Zensur und Moralismus
Ist alles, was sie bringt
Eine halbe Erlösung
der Himmel stinkt
Und du willst für sie sterben
In ihrem Namen
Für die Kirche
Für ein Amen
Ich pisse auf den Pabst
Und seine römische Zentrale
Auf den Vatikan
Und seine Sklaven
Ich glaube nicht an seine Worte
Ich bin doch nicht bekloppt
DENN WER KEINE ANGST VORM TEUFEL HAT
BRAUCHT AUCH KEINEN GOTT
Lemme guess; this song is about churches - mocking them and pissing all over Vatikan, the fast and the holy word? And Teufel means "Satan", "brauchen" means "to break" and Gott means "God".
Expressions like "täglich Brot" and "Zensur und Moralismus" are pretty easy to understand if you know English :D
In reality, most of those bands who sing and use it's imagery are not satanist, they use it for the shock value.
So in other words, its just all fun and games. It doesn't bug me. I think every group likes to incorporate shock value into their stuff.. seems like satanism is for metal xD
Eh, whatever. I pefer occultism. Satanism is just reverse psychological christianity. I got out of it when i was a young lad and i discovered theres more to evil than satan. Also depends on each individual opinion of what satanism is.
Someone who claims to be a Satanist only makes it really difficult for anyone to take them seriously. Anton Lavey died a bankrupt junkie in a flop house, like many other famous Satanists who have made similiar stupid decisions. Usually, crude, violent, unintelligent people are attracted to Satanism by promises of power and "freedom". Satanism in metal is a fucking joke. That doesn't stop some of them from making good tunes though.
i disagree, with using lavey as an example. the church of satan is just a group of extremist atheists. ive me a few theistic satanists who actually live very happy lives and feel fulfilled
I think lavey is a prime example of bullshit satanism. Before he died, he repented his sins against the christian church and asked for forgiveness. If you want to know how the cos (church of satan) really is, watch the dethklok episode i think called religionklok.
I think it's alright. Most days I just want to listen to some border line shit that would make my mom open her eyes WIDE AS FUCK so I listen to Deicide, Venom, early Bathory, Dark Funeral, early Slayer, and lots more. And on other days I just prefer other subjects so I listen to Dio, Nuclear Assault, Warbringer, etc. However, I do appreciate Satanism in metal. It really gives it's own unique shock value to it. I always get adrenaline whenever I hear something evil as FUCK. That's what makes the competition between bands in metal. To try coming up with the most reckless lyrics about Hell, Satan, Fire, etc.
BUT... I'm an anti-religion atheist. I deny and reject all biblical and religious views and refuse to beleive in ANY higher being. If God is so fucking mighty, why can't he show his face once in a while? As for Satanism, it is misconceived as either a religion or a sign of freedom. Either way, I don't give a fuck. If Satan was real, he would be a cool guy to hang out with for sure. \m/
You're anti-religion but you only bash god, as in the christian god? While the fact that no god has shown him/herself is true, I personally do not see any point in being against religion, when it comes to normal respectable religious people. For some it just helps to find inner peace, hope, and consolation. It also gives them more to do in their life, with the whole collective community. You could compare that to how metal gives people more content to their lives, because there's this whole culture outside the music, and also music itself is important in many religions.
Sure, religion has been associated with a bunch of wars and attacks, but it's not religion that makes people do heinous things, it's heinous people that do heinous things. So I don't see why religion itself is a problem, but those fundamentalist psychopaths man, I think every sane religious and non-religious person can hate those idiots together.
I just noticed your comment is older than the bible but I'll post this anyways.
Did you read what I said about normal _respectable_ religious people? Also, I was speaking of religious people in general, not just Christians.
You missed my point completely, I say your comment is invalid.
Modern day Christians are not really violently forcing anyone to believe in god like they did in the past, and religious acts of violence back in the day were not always committed purely on religious purposes. When violence was heavily used in the past because of religion, it was because of a lack of understanding and knowledge, which I think we have partially reached today. There are also a bunch of religions that have never really acted violently in pursuit of conversion or god's will.
People who in this day and age act violently because of religion are in my opinion uneducated and decadent. Muslims stoning women because of the Qur'an is just ridiculous, but doesn't justify hating all religions in existence. Maybe religious views and how churches are run could in some cases be improved, but just being anti-religion is really not accomplishing anything.
Venom are the lads that gave us full on SATANIC METAL.
They inspired Metallica, Slayer, Anthrax, Possessed, Bathory and Megadeth (and all the other bands) and they all took on a Satanic vibe. Over time many of those bands dropped the theme (for better or worse) and changed.
I like it myself, Satan loves Rock and Roll so Metal is Satan's favorite music! It's all part of metal culture because of Venom.
Even Motley Crue and AC/DC crabbed a bit of Satanic action as it was part of the scene.
There were things about satan and satanism in metal before venom.. so no its not a part of the metal culture because of them. they did give us "full on SATANIC METAL" though I could agree with that. but they weren't the first rock band to use satanic lyrics and or imagery
I think it goes for whoever the listener is and what they believe. I personally don't mind it. It's more or less image and shock...plus it looks cool with some bands.
It's the same way I view songs about serial killers, zombies, partying (and unfortunately usually politics) in metal. Just cheesy fun stuff to put fast, angry and loud music to. None of those guys are satanists, and no one even knows what the fuck a "satanist" is.
I think the subject of satanism has become a trend, now alot of faggot ass emo bands use pentagrams and sing about hell (instead of singing about how their girlfriends dumped them). But there are still bands who are real that i listen to, be it black, death and thrash metal.
If black metal bands want to be really evil, they should use profane pictures of allah and muhammed.
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I think a lot of muslim metalheads that embrace the message of anti-christianity (especially within black metal)
as hypocrites for feeling offended when those same messages are turned against Islam.
These days I couldn't give a damn about what a band sings about, whether they believe it or its an act. I'll listen to bands that sing about any subject from Satanism to Christianity, extreme political ideologies to getting wasted every night... I appreciate the music and am happy to let the artist cover whatever themes they want. None of it changes my personal beliefs but some bands do help you to see things from a different perspective with their music and lyrics.
When all is said and done Satanic imagery etc is always going to be in metal in some form or another so accept it and get headbangin'. \m/
lol do they even look satanic? haha they look like the most laid back guys ever
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You see, the biggest problem here is the lack of a universally accepted definition of "Satanism".
This really complicates things here.
Personally, I do believe in certain values that could be considered as "Satanic" by someone with a poor understanding of Satanism.
I believe in the use of varying mythological figures such as Lilith and Lucifer as allegory or metaphor in order to better understand the process of life.
I do not believe in such figures as a literal consciousness but I do believe in them as possibly names given to natural forces or aspects of existence. For example, the Hindu goddess Kali is seen as a literal goddess to Hindus, but I understand her instead as an embodied expression of natural forces attributed to her such as chaos, death and rebirth.
Essentially, these figures are much like folk tales used to express certain messages. However I believe that the core message can be expressed without them. The core message is that of the empowerment of the human spirit in reaction to its environment, in order to achieve a position of internal spiritual strength. I do believe that some understanding of the nature of man is inherent in black metal as I define it. However it is not inherent in metal per se.
Lastly it is important to note that my beliefs mean that the onus is on the recipient to critically engage and derive an interpretation of the message. Following this thread of logic, I believe that anything can mean something to someone.
Someone else can listen to Bathory and hear recounts of horror-filled FICTION.
I can choose to instead hear the expression of Satanism in "Sacrifice".
The only real Satanism is within your heart, like it or not.
i love how some people here still go ''there so are real satanists in metal''
it's a GIMMICK, and people still lick it up lik a hungry pup... prime examples these days are watain...
satanists for money, keep on buying so you feel connected....
accept that satanism in metal is nothing more than a gimmick to offend and make more money
99% of what u said is true. For most bands it is just image. Very few actually have a lifestyle similar to their lyrics. Especially these newer bands like Watain. Tbh only band that comes to mind that are true to their lyrics is Necromantia.
Besides that, most good bands' topics are occultism in general or anti-christianity. Atleast what i consider good bands. (Mortuary Drape, Master's Hammer, Varathron etc etc)
hm...satan/satanism in metal...hm...
well, its totaly common in metal and many play around with the theme just for image, a few others take it serious.
I give a fuck :P i dont care if they play with satanism or be real satanist..or whatever.
...i dont care..yep :)
I WANT MORE CHICKS in the metalscene and i want MORE TITS on covers - thats a point - i care alot :D
i agree, but there is a rule of thumb on this:
any album with a naked chick on the cover is utter shit music, or so the saying goes.. i can name a couple of exceptions ;)
6 FUN 6 FUN 6 FUN - imagine our metal world of pure beauty not overruled by THE DEVIL - no art with devils, skulls, horns, goats, crosses, nuns, nun´s with their body holes filled with crossed, nuns filled with one big cross, priests, priests .... you can continue....
no lyrics that fit perfect to OUR live´s soundtrack - soul absorbing metal sounds and someone comes up with lyrics about flo9wes... - it would not be the same.... i would guess the mighty tss world would have 80% less uploads!
there are some true things into the ideas behind "satanism" - behind all that outlook and words thing - but it is def. no cover up for politics, rascism, haters and killers - it is all about being yourself be free, crank up some metal tunes - and build a worldwide family, brotherhood, community- whatever - you know what i mean - HORNS UP!!!
as dark throne say on their latest record "LEAVE NO CROSS UNTURNEND"!!! - ha,ha
i just got reminded that i got a pentagram with a bone hand showing the metal sign in it ´s middle inked on my wrist - mad it for my brithers wedding - i was his best man and had to hhandle the rings to the priest - was so funny when he looked and my wrist and his eyes popped out - the ink was worth the joke and it was my best way to show how much it did mena to me that my brother did choose me or his wedding best man,.... ha,ha - he thought i would start to burn when i step into the church..... AM I EVIL?????
I don't mind any religious mythology in metal providing it's treated as just that; mythology. Norse, Greek, Egyptian, Christian, Celtic, Satanist, whatever. All mythologies are interesting and would make good metal themes. It's just imagery. I'm not going to stop listening to a band for taking such things seriously but I would question their ability to think logically.
Satanism? Devils? Naked Women? Zombies? Dragons? Naked She-Devils riding Zombie Dragons? It's all fun as a challenge to evangelicals/salafis/prudes, but at the end of the day, I just hail to the Metal.
Actually, I don't like it, because I am an atheist and I don,t believe in any of those stuff. Most bands just do it for more fame and shock value but that is exactly and the ones that actually believe in it are lacking in the gray matter department.WITH NO INTENTION OF OFFENSE TO ANYONE I think it's ridiculous
This tends to be a complicated topic for me, as simple as it might sound. I have three ways of looking at it.
Number one: I detest when bands sing about Satan just to get attention, or to sell. That is no artform, it's just plastic and false crap entertainment.
Number two: Now, when a band sings about Satanism or the occult because they are SERIOUSLY interested in the occult (yet don't actually believe in Satan) and have a certain passion for that interest... that's fine for me. It's still mere entertainment, but it comes with a price. Unfortunately, some of those bands lose that drive that they have in the beginning. Their main focus was to write music out of passion (even if it was about Satan and the occult), but somewhere down the line they lose focus. Probably because as you gain recognition and bigger fan-bases, you lose sight of your essence and your original "drive" that lead you to this art form in the first place.
This doesn't happen to all bands (I think), but yeah these are those types of bands that eventually have their music become stale, stagnant, and boring over the years. Very repetitive, if you will. I still consider these artists.
Number three: These are the types of bands that are extremely controversial, both for their music and for their beliefs that are usually shrouded in mystery and darkness. These bands are extremely rare gems. The type of bands that actually mean what they write about in their lyrics, including Satanism and Luciferian ideologies and practices. They hold their convictions proudly.
I don't agree with their beliefs in terms of religion or spirituality, but their music is fascinating. Like I said though, these bands are beyond rare and hard to come by. But they have my respect for being genuine and honest about what they feel within their hearts. These bands main focus when asked about their music is usually answered by words which most metalheads cannot relate to. A lot of these bands can still lose focus while getting caught up in the business aspect of it all, and it's a shame when it happens.
To put it in simpler terms, I feel that the music world would be a better place if more musicians wrote their art form from the heart, with all but the most genuine of sincerity. I don't care what you believe, or what you have gone through in life. Write about what you are passionate about. When too many musicians follow a blueprint it tends to become a stagnant scene for whatever genre they play.
I prefer songs with Satanic lyrics. They often express what Satanism is about, but they sometimes can be misread by non-satanists and taken way too literally. I can see how someone who hasn't read The Satanic Bible or studied up on Satanism can have a hard time relating to them. For Satanists, they can be empowering anthems! Of course each person has freedom to choose what they listen to. It's not like all metal is infused with Satanism. There are choices.
i think that the satanism is an immportant part of the heavy metal,is part of the heavy music since the beatles to semengoat,is part of the sound like black sabbath,im not a religius person because in México where many genocides for the blame of the catholic church,i like a lot satanic lyrics but i feel that is a part of the metal to be evil.
Interesting discussion. I wont rehash what most people have said about the majority of bands using Satanism as a gimmick, nor will I rehash the difference between Norwegians embracing their true ancient culture,rejecting Christianity and being mistaken for actual devil worshippers.
I will, however, say that there are a few bands who truly believe in what theyre doing. Watain may be open for debate, but Black Funeral certainly is not. Look at the website, read the material. They stand by what they say and are certainly NOT in it for the money.
Lord Ahriman from Dark Funeral and King Diamond both are claimed practioners of LaVey Satanism. Don't know if you count this for LaVeyism not being about devil worship.
Lyrics about satan are just that, words. It doesn't really matter to me what a band sings about as long as the music fits the bill as to what I want to listen to at that moment. As long as the lyrics are sung in a way that I like, I don't care what they're about. For example, I can't understand a single word "sung" in a Tyranny song, usually. But I love Tyranny.
As to whether or not a band who sings about satanism actually partakes in it, I'm in the same boat, if they do partake in some sort of satanism or whatever, that's cool, I don't care.
Anti-religious images and lyrical themes or anything that's shocking is done to be shocking, not for any other reason. Otherwise it wouldn't exist. Cannibal Corpse has a ridiculous name, ridiculous album art, and ridiculous lyrics. Things that draw the attention of others because of their shock value. Most bands that sing about satanism do the same things.
The more extreme it is, the funnier it is to me, and the more I like it, usually.
sargeist is also a gimmick band... so is behexen before you bring that up.
dissection never came forward with their ''satanic'' imagery, this is about imagery,not what jon did in his spare time ;)
wasn't that explanation enough?
i book bands, am very active within bm and i know these individuals personally, shatraug i've known for a very long time (he sent me the first demo's of sargeist)... why is it so hard to just accept that BM is a gimmick within itself? just accept it and have fun with it
You avoid answering my question. Have they personally told you that they're not satanists? I don't necessarely know about the personal beliefs of the people I know. I rarely talk about those things with people if I'm they're not very close friends of mine.
Deathspell Omega is one of the very few bands that can support their "satanic" image thought their music and lyrics. I dont have any problem with satanism in music , i'm atheist and I think that's the best way to express the inner darkness . But i think that satanism has become aridiculous trend especially in black metal.
satanism cannot exist without christianity
like ozzy and his band or
or sex with cum
or darth vader without his iconic breathing
or even sweet tarts without sugar
or soda without fizz
the other needs the other
yeah this satan stuff has become so stereotypical for metalheads it has actually led to many saying you can't believe in god because you wear that jacket its lead me to believe that religion is just wall between some people like a very nice satanist walks up to a christian and gets chased away and a very nice christian is bullied for worshipping god it just is dumb. i am a christian but unlike some soccer moms am not gonna attack you for worshipping satan or being a atheist its your choice i may not agree with it but no need to fight bout unless they insult my religion somehow then we but heads a little as for satanism in metal music i'm all on board i prefer satanic metal songs over the metalcore jesus bands
all this being said there are many religions in metal and thats what makes metal awesome the diversity in people and how just straight up fucking gnarly the music is
many religions but one true passion
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It’s something I don’t really consider. With music, I don’t care if you’re a Satanist, Christian, any other religion, left wing, right wing, gay, straight, fucking whatever. I just care if your riffs fuck.
Other people are entitled to their beliefs regardless of what mine are and whether I agree with them. Performative edgy Satanism looks kinda cringe though lol
Satanism, Christianity, Catholicism.. it’s all the same thing really. I don’t care if you are a “satanist” or “nazi” band as the kids call it these days.
All I know is that if you are near a church and you see hands in the air shouting satan or Jesus then get the fuck out of that church, go buy some beer and take a nap.
What's funny is metalheads don't even realize their overloads, including the most well known record companies, follow a belief system. I won’t even go into it.
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Adrian on
Any band should feel free to express their beliefs in their music.
I don't like when bands put that kind of stuff in there just to sell albums though.
mayhempunk666 on
your spot on
eddiethehead666 on
we have to keep in mind that most of the bands yelling hail satan! really do not believe in the lyrics they are saying. i mean, kook at Tom Araya. He's a practicing catholic. that said, i do enjoy satanism in metal, although i am agnostic, i like that most outsiders, who have never listened to extreme metal before would be afraid of an album cover with a pentagram on it. But if you're looking for true satanism, don't look to metal, it's just a bunch of kids running around playing guitar loud and flashing the devil horns, that's not satanism it's just a shock tactic really.
mayhempunk666 on
unless your dissection....then your a real satanist lol
whiteravenmetal on
"That is not satanism, is halloween" Alice Cooper(Headbanger's journey).
eddiethehead666 on
haha yup!!! :D
no karate in pit on
i fully agree
BeefCakeAssThrash on
I can't stand that shit with poser bands. slipknot poses with that shit sooo much it fucking hurts. and I think it's more of a Black Metal thing..... I don't care about Bm so whatever
PowerThrashingDeath on
It's pretty lame... trying to be as evil as possible, but i'd doesn't bother me if they do it. as long as the music is good..
Bayernpirat
Du bezahlst für ihren Segen
Für die Angst vor dem Tod
Dein Geld hält sie am Leben
Gibt ihnen ihr täglich Brot
Du hängst an ihren Lippen
Und du glaubst dass du sie brauchst
Dann klammer dich an sie
Bist du verfaulst
Ich scheiße auf die Kirche
Ihren Pabst und seinen Segen
Ich brauch ihn nicht als Krücke
Ich kann alleine leben
Falls du das nicht kannst
Ja, falls du ihn brauchst
Werde mit ihm glücklich
Doch zwing mir nicht deinen
Glauben auf
Zensur und Moralismus
Ist alles, was sie bringt
Eine halbe Erlösung
der Himmel stinkt
Und du willst für sie sterben
In ihrem Namen
Für die Kirche
Für ein Amen
Ich pisse auf den Pabst
Und seine römische Zentrale
Auf den Vatikan
Und seine Sklaven
Ich glaube nicht an seine Worte
Ich bin doch nicht bekloppt
DENN WER KEINE ANGST VORM TEUFEL HAT
BRAUCHT AUCH KEINEN GOTT
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Tuber on
Lemme guess; this song is about churches - mocking them and pissing all over Vatikan, the fast and the holy word? And Teufel means "Satan", "brauchen" means "to break" and Gott means "God".
Expressions like "täglich Brot" and "Zensur und Moralismus" are pretty easy to understand if you know English :D
kiwidamo on
Makes for good lyrics I take it with a pinch of salt.
Skunkspritz on
In reality, most of those bands who sing and use it's imagery are not satanist, they use it for the shock value.
So in other words, its just all fun and games. It doesn't bug me. I think every group likes to incorporate shock value into their stuff.. seems like satanism is for metal xD
Hungry_Mosher on
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Phosphorous_Redeemer on
Eh, whatever. I pefer occultism. Satanism is just reverse psychological christianity. I got out of it when i was a young lad and i discovered theres more to evil than satan. Also depends on each individual opinion of what satanism is.
mayhempunk666 on
i agree with you for the most part, our only real divide is that i prefer paganism lol
Phosphorous_Redeemer on
Thats good too, depending on what your personal beliefs are.
ShieldbitersValhalla on
Someone who claims to be a Satanist only makes it really difficult for anyone to take them seriously. Anton Lavey died a bankrupt junkie in a flop house, like many other famous Satanists who have made similiar stupid decisions. Usually, crude, violent, unintelligent people are attracted to Satanism by promises of power and "freedom". Satanism in metal is a fucking joke. That doesn't stop some of them from making good tunes though.
mayhempunk666 on
i disagree, with using lavey as an example. the church of satan is just a group of extremist atheists. ive me a few theistic satanists who actually live very happy lives and feel fulfilled
ShieldbitersValhalla on
I guess using Lavey was a bad example. What I mean is that most people, maybe not your friends, are completely doing it to be hip.
Phosphorous_Redeemer on
I think lavey is a prime example of bullshit satanism. Before he died, he repented his sins against the christian church and asked for forgiveness. If you want to know how the cos (church of satan) really is, watch the dethklok episode i think called religionklok.
mayhempunk666 on
the church of satan is the biggest joke created since catholicism
Phosphorous_Redeemer on
Phallelujah!
For most bands its just imagery but for those bands who are real satanists who gives a fuck after all metal is about doing what ever the fuck you want
CALGARYTHRASHER666 on
I think it's alright. Most days I just want to listen to some border line shit that would make my mom open her eyes WIDE AS FUCK so I listen to Deicide, Venom, early Bathory, Dark Funeral, early Slayer, and lots more. And on other days I just prefer other subjects so I listen to Dio, Nuclear Assault, Warbringer, etc. However, I do appreciate Satanism in metal. It really gives it's own unique shock value to it. I always get adrenaline whenever I hear something evil as FUCK. That's what makes the competition between bands in metal. To try coming up with the most reckless lyrics about Hell, Satan, Fire, etc.
BUT... I'm an anti-religion atheist. I deny and reject all biblical and religious views and refuse to beleive in ANY higher being. If God is so fucking mighty, why can't he show his face once in a while? As for Satanism, it is misconceived as either a religion or a sign of freedom. Either way, I don't give a fuck. If Satan was real, he would be a cool guy to hang out with for sure. \m/
Kiske on
You're anti-religion but you only bash god, as in the christian god? While the fact that no god has shown him/herself is true, I personally do not see any point in being against religion, when it comes to normal respectable religious people. For some it just helps to find inner peace, hope, and consolation. It also gives them more to do in their life, with the whole collective community. You could compare that to how metal gives people more content to their lives, because there's this whole culture outside the music, and also music itself is important in many religions.
Sure, religion has been associated with a bunch of wars and attacks, but it's not religion that makes people do heinous things, it's heinous people that do heinous things. So I don't see why religion itself is a problem, but those fundamentalist psychopaths man, I think every sane religious and non-religious person can hate those idiots together.
I just noticed your comment is older than the bible but I'll post this anyways.
DevilzForce on
you might wanna read up on what christianity has done to europe in the dark ages, as well as scandinavia... your comment is invalid
Kiske on
Did you read what I said about normal _respectable_ religious people? Also, I was speaking of religious people in general, not just Christians.
You missed my point completely, I say your comment is invalid.
DevilzForce on
yes i did, and saying that ''people'' do those kind of things is really shortsighted of you to say....
Kiske on
Modern day Christians are not really violently forcing anyone to believe in god like they did in the past, and religious acts of violence back in the day were not always committed purely on religious purposes. When violence was heavily used in the past because of religion, it was because of a lack of understanding and knowledge, which I think we have partially reached today. There are also a bunch of religions that have never really acted violently in pursuit of conversion or god's will.
People who in this day and age act violently because of religion are in my opinion uneducated and decadent. Muslims stoning women because of the Qur'an is just ridiculous, but doesn't justify hating all religions in existence. Maybe religious views and how churches are run could in some cases be improved, but just being anti-religion is really not accomplishing anything.
Slaughter Lord on
very well said. Sadly most people don't think so.
MortalFate on
There's nothing in the Qur'an about stoning women. The irony. I think you should read the Bible with more of a critical mind.
TerrorZone on
most of the bands aren't really satanic annyway, just for the image. wich i'm fine with, it's a cool subject to sing/scream on!
Nostias on
Venom are the lads that gave us full on SATANIC METAL.
They inspired Metallica, Slayer, Anthrax, Possessed, Bathory and Megadeth (and all the other bands) and they all took on a Satanic vibe. Over time many of those bands dropped the theme (for better or worse) and changed.
I like it myself, Satan loves Rock and Roll so Metal is Satan's favorite music! It's all part of metal culture because of Venom.
Even Motley Crue and AC/DC crabbed a bit of Satanic action as it was part of the scene.
mayor_of_tromaville on
There were things about satan and satanism in metal before venom.. so no its not a part of the metal culture because of them. they did give us "full on SATANIC METAL" though I could agree with that. but they weren't the first rock band to use satanic lyrics and or imagery
lambofgodfan00 on
I think it goes for whoever the listener is and what they believe. I personally don't mind it. It's more or less image and shock...plus it looks cool with some bands.
whiteravenmetal on
I don't give a shit, the only thing that bothers me is that religion or ideologies tend to divert attention of music to other things
PrinceAdam on
It's the same way I view songs about serial killers, zombies, partying (and unfortunately usually politics) in metal. Just cheesy fun stuff to put fast, angry and loud music to. None of those guys are satanists, and no one even knows what the fuck a "satanist" is.
mayhempunk666 on
i disagree, there are examples of actual satanists in metal bands
Phosphorous_Redeemer on
Aye, euronymous, jon from dissection, marduk (more occultism), etc. cant think of anything else right now
Stathis on
George Zacharopoulos of Necromantia is also true to his lyrics
Phosphorous_Redeemer on
I think the subject of satanism has become a trend, now alot of faggot ass emo bands use pentagrams and sing about hell (instead of singing about how their girlfriends dumped them). But there are still bands who are real that i listen to, be it black, death and thrash metal.
mayhempunk666 on
hahahahahahahaha
ShieldbitersValhalla on
Haha.
Phosphorous_Redeemer on
haha satanism has been defeated by allahism.
PrinceAdam on
Hell I'd say Zionism is the real the tool of devil.
Phosphorous_Redeemer on
If black metal bands want to be really evil, they should use profane pictures of allah and muhammed.
I think a lot of muslim metalheads that embrace the message of anti-christianity (especially within black metal)
as hypocrites for feeling offended when those same messages are turned against Islam.
megadeth1818 on
no joke, if those bands did something like "fuck me ALLAH" they'd probably be assassinated
http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Ayat/20569
It's decent music as well.
EDIT
http://www.metal-archives.com/albums/%D8%AF%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%B1/Triumph_Th...
It's even better. THIS is FUCKING GOOD!
no karate in pit on
lmao
Grimslath on
These days I couldn't give a damn about what a band sings about, whether they believe it or its an act. I'll listen to bands that sing about any subject from Satanism to Christianity, extreme political ideologies to getting wasted every night... I appreciate the music and am happy to let the artist cover whatever themes they want. None of it changes my personal beliefs but some bands do help you to see things from a different perspective with their music and lyrics.
When all is said and done Satanic imagery etc is always going to be in metal in some form or another so accept it and get headbangin'. \m/
young_metalhead97 on
but does anyone know is Steve Harris or Bruce Dickinson satanic or not?
BeefCakeAssThrash on
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
no.
mayhempunk666 on
you definitely are a young a metalhead hahahahahaahahahaha....as beefcake said the answer is no
eddiethehead666 on
lol do they even look satanic? haha they look like the most laid back guys ever
You see, the biggest problem here is the lack of a universally accepted definition of "Satanism".
This really complicates things here.
Personally, I do believe in certain values that could be considered as "Satanic" by someone with a poor understanding of Satanism.
I believe in the use of varying mythological figures such as Lilith and Lucifer as allegory or metaphor in order to better understand the process of life.
I do not believe in such figures as a literal consciousness but I do believe in them as possibly names given to natural forces or aspects of existence. For example, the Hindu goddess Kali is seen as a literal goddess to Hindus, but I understand her instead as an embodied expression of natural forces attributed to her such as chaos, death and rebirth.
Essentially, these figures are much like folk tales used to express certain messages. However I believe that the core message can be expressed without them. The core message is that of the empowerment of the human spirit in reaction to its environment, in order to achieve a position of internal spiritual strength. I do believe that some understanding of the nature of man is inherent in black metal as I define it. However it is not inherent in metal per se.
Lastly it is important to note that my beliefs mean that the onus is on the recipient to critically engage and derive an interpretation of the message. Following this thread of logic, I believe that anything can mean something to someone.
Someone else can listen to Bathory and hear recounts of horror-filled FICTION.
I can choose to instead hear the expression of Satanism in "Sacrifice".
The only real Satanism is within your heart, like it or not.
DevilzForce on
i love how some people here still go ''there so are real satanists in metal''
it's a GIMMICK, and people still lick it up lik a hungry pup... prime examples these days are watain...
satanists for money, keep on buying so you feel connected....
accept that satanism in metal is nothing more than a gimmick to offend and make more money
Stathis on
99% of what u said is true. For most bands it is just image. Very few actually have a lifestyle similar to their lyrics. Especially these newer bands like Watain. Tbh only band that comes to mind that are true to their lyrics is Necromantia.
Besides that, most good bands' topics are occultism in general or anti-christianity. Atleast what i consider good bands. (Mortuary Drape, Master's Hammer, Varathron etc etc)
TheSomberlain1995 on
what about dissection?
meaningless
hm...satan/satanism in metal...hm...
well, its totaly common in metal and many play around with the theme just for image, a few others take it serious.
I give a fuck :P i dont care if they play with satanism or be real satanist..or whatever.
...i dont care..yep :)
I WANT MORE CHICKS in the metalscene and i want MORE TITS on covers - thats a point - i care alot :D
VoodooChild on
+666!!!!
DevilzForce on
i agree, but there is a rule of thumb on this:
any album with a naked chick on the cover is utter shit music, or so the saying goes.. i can name a couple of exceptions ;)
gizter on
+1
meaningless
yeah...i heard something like this too :P but i can also offer some exceptions ;P
JUANTHRASH on
what about death penalty by witchfinder general XD
NoneFuckingHeavier on
put these words under mine - ha,ha,ha - BREAK OUT!!!
DeathRipper on
It's a good gimmick. I pefer Norse Paganism to Satanism, but, whatever.
NoneFuckingHeavier on
6 FUN 6 FUN 6 FUN - imagine our metal world of pure beauty not overruled by THE DEVIL - no art with devils, skulls, horns, goats, crosses, nuns, nun´s with their body holes filled with crossed, nuns filled with one big cross, priests, priests .... you can continue....
no lyrics that fit perfect to OUR live´s soundtrack - soul absorbing metal sounds and someone comes up with lyrics about flo9wes... - it would not be the same.... i would guess the mighty tss world would have 80% less uploads!
there are some true things into the ideas behind "satanism" - behind all that outlook and words thing - but it is def. no cover up for politics, rascism, haters and killers - it is all about being yourself be free, crank up some metal tunes - and build a worldwide family, brotherhood, community- whatever - you know what i mean - HORNS UP!!!
as dark throne say on their latest record "LEAVE NO CROSS UNTURNEND"!!! - ha,ha
NoneFuckingHeavier on
i just got reminded that i got a pentagram with a bone hand showing the metal sign in it ´s middle inked on my wrist - mad it for my brithers wedding - i was his best man and had to hhandle the rings to the priest - was so funny when he looked and my wrist and his eyes popped out - the ink was worth the joke and it was my best way to show how much it did mena to me that my brother did choose me or his wedding best man,.... ha,ha - he thought i would start to burn when i step into the church..... AM I EVIL?????
Johnny-Eyeball on
I don't mind any religious mythology in metal providing it's treated as just that; mythology. Norse, Greek, Egyptian, Christian, Celtic, Satanist, whatever. All mythologies are interesting and would make good metal themes. It's just imagery. I'm not going to stop listening to a band for taking such things seriously but I would question their ability to think logically.
ManOboy on
im quite neutral about the whole "satanism" thing in metal.
Daniel Sodomaniac on
To me it`s more like a "punky/metal FUCK YOU" kind of thing and if you take it to serious you should get a hobbie.
Cheers boys and girls!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Under-Fire on
Satanism? Devils? Naked Women? Zombies? Dragons? Naked She-Devils riding Zombie Dragons? It's all fun as a challenge to evangelicals/salafis/prudes, but at the end of the day, I just hail to the Metal.
JUANTHRASH on
Actually, I don't like it, because I am an atheist and I don,t believe in any of those stuff. Most bands just do it for more fame and shock value but that is exactly and the ones that actually believe in it are lacking in the gray matter department.WITH NO INTENTION OF OFFENSE TO ANYONE I think it's ridiculous
LaUlvenDrepe on
This tends to be a complicated topic for me, as simple as it might sound. I have three ways of looking at it.
Number one: I detest when bands sing about Satan just to get attention, or to sell. That is no artform, it's just plastic and false crap entertainment.
Number two: Now, when a band sings about Satanism or the occult because they are SERIOUSLY interested in the occult (yet don't actually believe in Satan) and have a certain passion for that interest... that's fine for me. It's still mere entertainment, but it comes with a price. Unfortunately, some of those bands lose that drive that they have in the beginning. Their main focus was to write music out of passion (even if it was about Satan and the occult), but somewhere down the line they lose focus. Probably because as you gain recognition and bigger fan-bases, you lose sight of your essence and your original "drive" that lead you to this art form in the first place.
This doesn't happen to all bands (I think), but yeah these are those types of bands that eventually have their music become stale, stagnant, and boring over the years. Very repetitive, if you will. I still consider these artists.
Number three: These are the types of bands that are extremely controversial, both for their music and for their beliefs that are usually shrouded in mystery and darkness. These bands are extremely rare gems. The type of bands that actually mean what they write about in their lyrics, including Satanism and Luciferian ideologies and practices. They hold their convictions proudly.
I don't agree with their beliefs in terms of religion or spirituality, but their music is fascinating. Like I said though, these bands are beyond rare and hard to come by. But they have my respect for being genuine and honest about what they feel within their hearts. These bands main focus when asked about their music is usually answered by words which most metalheads cannot relate to. A lot of these bands can still lose focus while getting caught up in the business aspect of it all, and it's a shame when it happens.
To put it in simpler terms, I feel that the music world would be a better place if more musicians wrote their art form from the heart, with all but the most genuine of sincerity. I don't care what you believe, or what you have gone through in life. Write about what you are passionate about. When too many musicians follow a blueprint it tends to become a stagnant scene for whatever genre they play.
Plague on
I prefer songs with Satanic lyrics. They often express what Satanism is about, but they sometimes can be misread by non-satanists and taken way too literally. I can see how someone who hasn't read The Satanic Bible or studied up on Satanism can have a hard time relating to them. For Satanists, they can be empowering anthems! Of course each person has freedom to choose what they listen to. It's not like all metal is infused with Satanism. There are choices.
sergius on
i think that the satanism is an immportant part of the heavy metal,is part of the heavy music since the beatles to semengoat,is part of the sound like black sabbath,im not a religius person because in México where many genocides for the blame of the catholic church,i like a lot satanic lyrics but i feel that is a part of the metal to be evil.
SpeedMetalAssault on
Diabolic force, occult energy
Diabolic force, live eternally
...
Seriously, satanism is only a part of the "show", using it to schock the good people.
SIR STEWART WAL... on
"fuck ya hail satan!"
Wrathchylde666 on
Interesting discussion. I wont rehash what most people have said about the majority of bands using Satanism as a gimmick, nor will I rehash the difference between Norwegians embracing their true ancient culture,rejecting Christianity and being mistaken for actual devil worshippers.
I will, however, say that there are a few bands who truly believe in what theyre doing. Watain may be open for debate, but Black Funeral certainly is not. Look at the website, read the material. They stand by what they say and are certainly NOT in it for the money.
VoodooChild on
Lord Ahriman from Dark Funeral and King Diamond both are claimed practioners of LaVey Satanism. Don't know if you count this for LaVeyism not being about devil worship.
Superblend on
Lyrics about satan are just that, words. It doesn't really matter to me what a band sings about as long as the music fits the bill as to what I want to listen to at that moment. As long as the lyrics are sung in a way that I like, I don't care what they're about. For example, I can't understand a single word "sung" in a Tyranny song, usually. But I love Tyranny.
As to whether or not a band who sings about satanism actually partakes in it, I'm in the same boat, if they do partake in some sort of satanism or whatever, that's cool, I don't care.
Anti-religious images and lyrical themes or anything that's shocking is done to be shocking, not for any other reason. Otherwise it wouldn't exist. Cannibal Corpse has a ridiculous name, ridiculous album art, and ridiculous lyrics. Things that draw the attention of others because of their shock value. Most bands that sing about satanism do the same things.
The more extreme it is, the funnier it is to me, and the more I like it, usually.
TheSomberlain1995 on
i saw a couple of people on here who said there are no real satanists in metal
what about dissection or sargeist then?
DevilzForce on
sargeist is also a gimmick band... so is behexen before you bring that up.
dissection never came forward with their ''satanic'' imagery, this is about imagery,not what jon did in his spare time ;)
LifeOfDeath on
Who are you to say which band is gimmick and which band is not? You don't know anything about the people behind these bands, do you?
DevilzForce on
here comes the kicker;
i organize gigs ! so i actually DO know who has the gimmick bands here as i know the people behind the bands hahahah
LifeOfDeath on
And what kind of explanation can you provide for you statement about Sargeist and Behexen being gimmick bands?
DevilzForce on
wasn't that explanation enough?
i book bands, am very active within bm and i know these individuals personally, shatraug i've known for a very long time (he sent me the first demo's of sargeist)... why is it so hard to just accept that BM is a gimmick within itself? just accept it and have fun with it
LifeOfDeath on
You avoid answering my question. Have they personally told you that they're not satanists? I don't necessarely know about the personal beliefs of the people I know. I rarely talk about those things with people if I'm they're not very close friends of mine.
DevilzForce on
yes he did
MortalFate on
Shatraug still did take an interest in the occult. Knew him a while ago.
Don't know how serious he was about the occult but serious about enough to block me when I made fun of Crowley. He even thought it was funny.
nuclearthrasher666 on
Deathspell Omega is one of the very few bands that can support their "satanic" image thought their music and lyrics. I dont have any problem with satanism in music , i'm atheist and I think that's the best way to express the inner darkness . But i think that satanism has become aridiculous trend especially in black metal.
andermatten on
he who believes in satan believes in god. so to me it's all really funny
no karate in pit on
satanism cannot exist without christianity
like ozzy and his band or
or sex with cum
or darth vader without his iconic breathing
or even sweet tarts without sugar
or soda without fizz
the other needs the other
andermatten on
yeah, thanks for the poem
slant on
to hell with the devil,, i listen to STRYPER !! .TRV KVLT METAL!!! yellow n black atttack!!!!..........lol
hail satan!...was cool in 10th grade...('1985 for me)...now its just redundant ..no more shock value i suppose
most 'satanists' stop being that way when they move out of their parents' home.
no karate in pit on
yeah this satan stuff has become so stereotypical for metalheads it has actually led to many saying you can't believe in god because you wear that jacket its lead me to believe that religion is just wall between some people like a very nice satanist walks up to a christian and gets chased away and a very nice christian is bullied for worshipping god it just is dumb. i am a christian but unlike some soccer moms am not gonna attack you for worshipping satan or being a atheist its your choice i may not agree with it but no need to fight bout unless they insult my religion somehow then we but heads a little as for satanism in metal music i'm all on board i prefer satanic metal songs over the metalcore jesus bands
all this being said there are many religions in metal and thats what makes metal awesome the diversity in people and how just straight up fucking gnarly the music is
many religions but one true passion
you stay classy, tshirt slayer im rick dickgundy?
An Overdose Of ... on
It’s something I don’t really consider. With music, I don’t care if you’re a Satanist, Christian, any other religion, left wing, right wing, gay, straight, fucking whatever. I just care if your riffs fuck.
Other people are entitled to their beliefs regardless of what mine are and whether I agree with them. Performative edgy Satanism looks kinda cringe though lol
MortalFate on
"Black Sabbath". What do people expect from metal? Purity?
Jimmy Page worshipped Aleister Crowley. Went to the extent to buy Crowley's residence.
Ben1988 on
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Turdburger on
Satanism, Christianity, Catholicism.. it’s all the same thing really. I don’t care if you are a “satanist” or “nazi” band as the kids call it these days.
All I know is that if you are near a church and you see hands in the air shouting satan or Jesus then get the fuck out of that church, go buy some beer and take a nap.
MortalFate on
What's funny is metalheads don't even realize their overloads, including the most well known record companies, follow a belief system. I won’t even go into it.