One flame because the patches are well organized. But I have to agree with the other comments about some of the band choices. Wearing those makes you either a neo-nazi or really ignorant.
And please Formshifter, don't make any assumptions about finnish people. We know very well what happened in WWII and what being a neo-nazi or a racist means. If you didn't know, Finland was in WWII. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_Finland_during_World_Wa... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapland_War
Satanic warmaster, der sturmer, swastikas - fuck this shit.
The historical significance of "pre-nazi" swastikas bares no relevance to wearing one today, the odd (usually white) hipster trying to "reclaim" the swastika is vastly out numbered by the millions of people murdered historically and the violent oppression that still continues to this day under the banner of the swastika. Not that im assuming you care about these people, given the bands and their ideologies you choose to support by wearing their logos.
I love runes, i love their historical significance and the meaning behind them, and no matter what i think about them i know the swastika, is not for reclaiming, it is for burning.
and with regards to "ease up on the antifa bullshit" - fuck clean off.
and at no point did anyone even hint at any antifa leanings, and your immediate assumption that any opposition to the bands on your jacket was "antifa" and not just people hating nazi bullshit goes to show that you are not just "enjoying good music and not giving a fuck" but in fact lending your allegiance and sympathy to nazi bands by defending them and using your body, and tshirtslayer as a platform to spread racist music and messages.
"yeah, fuck you, fucknaut."
"yeah, whether racist or not, this guy is still a fucknaut."
"the piece of shit has a swastika on his vest. fuck this guy."
This is antifa bullshit directed towards me, not opinions towards the ideologies of the bands I support.
this is not a matter of ignorance, it is no coincedence you have put these bands on your vest and continue to defend them and yourself.
Why are you playing some victim role here? You say you "dont give a fuck" but when people call you a nazi shitfuck for putting patches like this on your vest and defending them, you get defensive of it and yourself. So if it does upset you that people think you're a fucking idiot, then think about what people say and do something about it. Learn from your mistakes.
I'm not playing a victim. The "I don't give a fuck" is towards the fact that Abigail is japanese.
I don't see the fact that I like something you don't as an excuse to act like an asshole.
Is that Der Stürmer Backpatch from the greek nazi black metal band? You know that they are a real NSBM-Band who are active in a far right party in greek! I guess scum like this has no place for being her! For real, people like you should piss off from this board!!!!
I guess, he put the patches on his vest, cause they looking cool, huh? Did you understand the idology behind this shit? did you listen to this music and the lyrics? I guess he is a disturbed and lonely boy who doesent know what fascism means.
I understand the ideology behind these bands, listen to their music and go to see them perform live when it's possible. And yes, all Der Stürmer patches are from that band. I just don't see the problem supporting the bands I like.
That is exactly the problem. You understand the ideologies, and you still decide to support those bands. That makes you at least a nazi sympathizer and I think that is the problem for most people.
I must say i got pissed while reading some comments.Great jacket and bands and never apologize yourself for your opinions to someone.Especially to some internet warriors!
Here we go again same topic pops up every once in a while.Get over yourself,if he likes certain band then he shall put their patch on his vest if he wants to.If you dont like it good for you you dont have to be rude.Some people here are just primitive douchebags calling him fuckwit and shit like that.This is not a place for taking off your frustrations...
Dude, it's not about if he "likes" a band or not - I actually never give a fuck about the bands anyone likes, I would even give a Slipknot tribute Kutte 5 flames, if it looked great - it's about the fucking ideology that is behind those bands! Nationalsocialism isn't any fun at all, ignoring it is just a sign of complete stupidity. I guess - and hope for you - that you don't know it, but Der Stürmer is a band founded just with the aim to spread NS ideology and support racist crimes and murders, they don't care about the music they're playing (and you can hear that, their music is just boring as hell and shows, that no member can even play his instrument straight). All members are part of the far right greek Golden Dawn party and fully support any racist ideas.
Well dude I'm not an idiot I know about those bands and their ideologies and about that whole Greek NS bm movement.It's just that i really dont care about political or racial or whatever statements of some guy on internet.He can worship wholy orange for all I care.And I would never insult someone based on his/her political or religious views.that is ignorant and childish thing to do.
Well, for not being an idiot, you really act like the biggest of them all. How contradictive is it to say that you don't judge people because of their religion or political views and by that indirectly support NS ideologies ( ideologies that are only based on insulting people for their religious and political views, for their origin and for their health)?
World is not so black and white.I never judged someone based on their religion/political views NEVER.I am friends with some far left people.I never met anyone who is not European believe it or not but i would gladly hang around with non white person if he/she suits my character.
OK so you say I am contradictive?HOW?Where did I say i support NS ideology?I DONT support it do I need to spell it out for you?BUT I dont have anything against people who support it.Whatever this topic on this site is becoming boring and lame.If you want to judge someone becouse he is into nsbm or into cow worshiping or into bdsm go ahead i wont waste my time judging people its not worth it.I get it you are sad for all the people killed becouse of national socialism,bravo you are great person case closed.Humanity is hopeless btw.
Nazi Punks fuck off! Never seen so much rubbish on a vest... And the saddest thing is, that there are great bands on there, that have nothing to do with right-wing scumfucks...
I'm not one who cares much for political correctness, but if all these patches supporting hateful racist bands is simply out of love for the music and the swastika patch is indeed not to promote any kind of ideology but simply an ancient good luck symbol - just out of curiosity would you ever choose to be friends with someone who is jewish? what about someone who is black? or Hispanic or any other person of non-European descent?
you're being accused of being a racist and a Nazi supporter; granted, you don't have to explain yourself to anyone, much less on an internet forum where its easy to talk tough from behind a screen on the other side of the world - but you're kind of beating around the bush when answering people's questions about what you're trying to say about yourself with this jacket. just my opinion but if you're going to answer someone, at least explain yourself without turning around accusing them of being "antifa" or calling them ignorant about ancient uses of the swastika which, I believe, have been rendered completely obsolete by the Nazis' use of it and the terrible things they did to people under its banner.
Of course I would be friends with "nonwhite" people, I judge people based on their actions, not on their looks or ethnic backgrounds etc.
And you're right, the swastika patch is not to promote any ideology, it's a Stormheit patch.
You can have a jacket with crucified babies or Jesus getting raped and everyone is ok... but you get a racist patch... and everyone loses their minds!
I think Heath Ledger said that in The Dark Knight
because in my opinion, the one thing is about "fantasy violence" (like in horror movies, comics) and the other one about real violence caused by racism, which is also still present in a lot of countries.
and the drastic illustration of violence in metal is even often meant as critique of violence/war/etc...
You know, I don't support NS ideologies nor do I like most of the bands here. But I must say it is incredibly amusing to see the uploader of this jacket acting civil while peace and equality advocates spout hatred and threats left to right.
Maybe not here, but I thought that was part of the reason for being so adamantly opposed to far-right politics in general. It just feels to me that people here are more upset about the fact that the uploader likes Der Stürmer than his actual personal ideologies, since he has stated twice here that he has no problem interacting in a civil manner with people of different ethnicities and cultural backgrounds. I doubt his musical tastes are a 100% accurate depiction of his views of the world anyway. And before anyone tries to pass me off as nazi sympathiser, I'm a brown-skinned immigrant with descendants of multiple origins, so there you go.
I can only speak for myself, as an anarchist I believe "politics" of any spectrum, left or right is limiting of my freedom and the freedom of others. National socialism however, is very obviously anti-freedom.
and who cares about civility? If someone's holding a gun to your head it doesnt matter if they say please and thank you. Nazi ideology has and will see guns put to the heads of millions of people if it is allowed a platform to breathe. Those bands, this persons jacket, (regardless of his civility) and so on is still a platform for those systems of oppression to form.
You do have a point. I just think there are better ways to approach the issue than stabbing the fellow. Bringing awareness, etc. I know that's already done by Antifa folks by limiting the number of venues such bands can perform at and so on, although I can't say I'm happy when that extends to non-NS bands due to misinformation, but that's an entirely different topic.
Yeah, This debate goes alot deeper than patches and battle jackets... in an ideal world other approaches would be preferable, but we are far from the luxury of an ideal world and i believe any approach is better than no approach.
It is useful to remind everyone that Der Sturmer are all active members of the greek neo-nazi party Golden Dawn, whose members (in collaberation with the police) are responsible for the murders of immigrants and anarchists alike, I suppose stabbings might seem appropriate for some people, given the amount of hatred and anger felt towards neo-nazis and their beliefs.
Ah, I understand. I've heard a bit about the neo-nazi scene in Canada, thankfully we don't seem to have that much of a problem over here, save for a very small "aryan" motorcycle club. And yes, the guy clearly supports the views enough to have all those bands and badges on his vest. I have a Peste Noire and Napalm Death patch, and I'm neither a nationalist nor a vegan. But it's hard to justify having the majority of the bands explicitly NS without being, at the very least, comfortable with those views.
And your English is fine!
" I doubt his musical tastes are a 100% accurate depiction of his views of the world anyway. " Exactly.
And I have to correct by saying that out of the 24 bands here only 3 are NS.
Otherwise, great conversation.
True, but the NS bands seem to take priority with either huge back patches (Der Stürmer) or multiple patches of the same band (Goatmoon, Der Stürmer, Spear of Longinus and, on a lesser level, Satanic Warmaster/The True Werwolf). And it doesn't help your case when you get less-informed people mistaking the patriotism of Peste Noire or Stormheit for NS. I mean, you get the average non-NS guy here sporting an Absurd or Grand Belial's Key patch on their jacket, but it's a bit hard to argue that you don't, at the very least, relate to some of the views with a vest like that. But in the end, who gives a shit? It's your vest and you can listen to and support whatever you want, as long as you're aware of what you're putting your money into.
gizter on
is that Abigail backpatch glittery? if so, thats really cool.
nice stuff anyway
Cornuvom on
Thanks. I think that the glitter effect comes from the metallic silver thread?
Plague on
Total badass jacket! I got the same CF bp on my leather vest. Does ur vest fit over ur leather?
Cornuvom on
Thanks. Yes it fits
Formshifter on
thought that back patch looked familiar. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_St%C3%BCrmer
fuck that shit
DethronedEmperor23 on
sweet jackets !
Cornuvom on
Thanks.
Taikon on
Surprising lack of Absurd on those jackets, hahah.
doomtilldeath on
One flame because the patches are well organized. But I have to agree with the other comments about some of the band choices. Wearing those makes you either a neo-nazi or really ignorant.
And please Formshifter, don't make any assumptions about finnish people. We know very well what happened in WWII and what being a neo-nazi or a racist means. If you didn't know, Finland was in WWII.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_history_of_Finland_during_World_Wa...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapland_War
stenchcore massive on
Satanic warmaster, der sturmer, swastikas - fuck this shit.
The historical significance of "pre-nazi" swastikas bares no relevance to wearing one today, the odd (usually white) hipster trying to "reclaim" the swastika is vastly out numbered by the millions of people murdered historically and the violent oppression that still continues to this day under the banner of the swastika. Not that im assuming you care about these people, given the bands and their ideologies you choose to support by wearing their logos.
I love runes, i love their historical significance and the meaning behind them, and no matter what i think about them i know the swastika, is not for reclaiming, it is for burning.
and with regards to "ease up on the antifa bullshit" - fuck clean off.
stenchcore massive on
and at no point did anyone even hint at any antifa leanings, and your immediate assumption that any opposition to the bands on your jacket was "antifa" and not just people hating nazi bullshit goes to show that you are not just "enjoying good music and not giving a fuck" but in fact lending your allegiance and sympathy to nazi bands by defending them and using your body, and tshirtslayer as a platform to spread racist music and messages.
fuck this jacket and all racist filth like you.
Cornuvom on
Are you saying that they are not acting like antifa for calling me "A fucknaut nazi shit"?
stenchcore massive on
No i wasnt saying that, i was saying you were acting like a fascist fucknaut nazi shit by using "antifa" as an insult.
Cornuvom on
Since when have I used "antifa" as an insult like you are using "fascist fucknaut etc" towards me?
stenchcore massive on
When someone expressed their opinion of the racist ideologies put forth by the bands you support, you wrote it off as "antifa bullshit"
Cornuvom on
"yeah, fuck you, fucknaut."
"yeah, whether racist or not, this guy is still a fucknaut."
"the piece of shit has a swastika on his vest. fuck this guy."
This is antifa bullshit directed towards me, not opinions towards the ideologies of the bands I support.
stenchcore massive on
this is not a matter of ignorance, it is no coincedence you have put these bands on your vest and continue to defend them and yourself.
Why are you playing some victim role here? You say you "dont give a fuck" but when people call you a nazi shitfuck for putting patches like this on your vest and defending them, you get defensive of it and yourself. So if it does upset you that people think you're a fucking idiot, then think about what people say and do something about it. Learn from your mistakes.
nazism is not clever.
Sardu on
I totally agree!!!
Cornuvom on
I'm not playing a victim. The "I don't give a fuck" is towards the fact that Abigail is japanese.
I don't see the fact that I like something you don't as an excuse to act like an asshole.
stenchcore massive on
I dont need an excuse to act like an asshole when i have a reason to - you're a nsbm fuck wit
With any luck the next time that Golden Dawn offices are blown up Der Sturmer are inside when it happens.
Cornuvom on
Thanks.
Pommesgabel666 on
Is that Der Stürmer Backpatch from the greek nazi black metal band? You know that they are a real NSBM-Band who are active in a far right party in greek! I guess scum like this has no place for being her! For real, people like you should piss off from this board!!!!
g.dresche on
gnatzi glitter all over the place. do you actually wear these outside? most places ive been to youd get mugged, unless youre a towser
Cornuvom on
I do wear them outside, as there wouldn't be a point in making these if not for the purpose of wearing them.
Pommesgabel666 on
I guess, he put the patches on his vest, cause they looking cool, huh? Did you understand the idology behind this shit? did you listen to this music and the lyrics? I guess he is a disturbed and lonely boy who doesent know what fascism means.
Cornuvom on
I understand the ideology behind these bands, listen to their music and go to see them perform live when it's possible. And yes, all Der Stürmer patches are from that band. I just don't see the problem supporting the bands I like.
doomtilldeath on
That is exactly the problem. You understand the ideologies, and you still decide to support those bands. That makes you at least a nazi sympathizer and I think that is the problem for most people.
Bourreau on
That makes him nazi sympathizer as much as wearing Kill 'Em All shirt makes you a supporter of killing people by a hammer.
doomtilldeath on
As far as I know, Metallica doesn't promote killing people with a hammer.
Rayearth on
its fucking killer !
Cornuvom on
Thanks.
nightslasher26 on
I must say i got pissed while reading some comments.Great jacket and bands and never apologize yourself for your opinions to someone.Especially to some internet warriors!
Nine Turning Mirrors on
So you got pissed, because people don't like nazi scum? Tell me more, dude...
nightslasher26 on
Here we go again same topic pops up every once in a while.Get over yourself,if he likes certain band then he shall put their patch on his vest if he wants to.If you dont like it good for you you dont have to be rude.Some people here are just primitive douchebags calling him fuckwit and shit like that.This is not a place for taking off your frustrations...
Nine Turning Mirrors on
Dude, it's not about if he "likes" a band or not - I actually never give a fuck about the bands anyone likes, I would even give a Slipknot tribute Kutte 5 flames, if it looked great - it's about the fucking ideology that is behind those bands! Nationalsocialism isn't any fun at all, ignoring it is just a sign of complete stupidity. I guess - and hope for you - that you don't know it, but Der Stürmer is a band founded just with the aim to spread NS ideology and support racist crimes and murders, they don't care about the music they're playing (and you can hear that, their music is just boring as hell and shows, that no member can even play his instrument straight). All members are part of the far right greek Golden Dawn party and fully support any racist ideas.
nightslasher26 on
Well dude I'm not an idiot I know about those bands and their ideologies and about that whole Greek NS bm movement.It's just that i really dont care about political or racial or whatever statements of some guy on internet.He can worship wholy orange for all I care.And I would never insult someone based on his/her political or religious views.that is ignorant and childish thing to do.
Nine Turning Mirrors on
Well, for not being an idiot, you really act like the biggest of them all. How contradictive is it to say that you don't judge people because of their religion or political views and by that indirectly support NS ideologies ( ideologies that are only based on insulting people for their religious and political views, for their origin and for their health)?
nightslasher26 on
World is not so black and white.I never judged someone based on their religion/political views NEVER.I am friends with some far left people.I never met anyone who is not European believe it or not but i would gladly hang around with non white person if he/she suits my character.
Nine Turning Mirrors on
That is not even what I was talking about, dude. But I see, it's not worth the effort discussing with you... Some people just won't get it.
And now I really hope someone comes around, and restores my faith in humanity...
nightslasher26 on
OK so you say I am contradictive?HOW?Where did I say i support NS ideology?I DONT support it do I need to spell it out for you?BUT I dont have anything against people who support it.Whatever this topic on this site is becoming boring and lame.If you want to judge someone becouse he is into nsbm or into cow worshiping or into bdsm go ahead i wont waste my time judging people its not worth it.I get it you are sad for all the people killed becouse of national socialism,bravo you are great person case closed.Humanity is hopeless btw.
Nine Turning Mirrors on
Just so you know: The key word was "indirectly" :)
Have a nice evening
Nine Turning Mirrors on
Nazi Punks fuck off! Never seen so much rubbish on a vest... And the saddest thing is, that there are great bands on there, that have nothing to do with right-wing scumfucks...
judascrust on
I'm not one who cares much for political correctness, but if all these patches supporting hateful racist bands is simply out of love for the music and the swastika patch is indeed not to promote any kind of ideology but simply an ancient good luck symbol - just out of curiosity would you ever choose to be friends with someone who is jewish? what about someone who is black? or Hispanic or any other person of non-European descent?
you're being accused of being a racist and a Nazi supporter; granted, you don't have to explain yourself to anyone, much less on an internet forum where its easy to talk tough from behind a screen on the other side of the world - but you're kind of beating around the bush when answering people's questions about what you're trying to say about yourself with this jacket. just my opinion but if you're going to answer someone, at least explain yourself without turning around accusing them of being "antifa" or calling them ignorant about ancient uses of the swastika which, I believe, have been rendered completely obsolete by the Nazis' use of it and the terrible things they did to people under its banner.
Cornuvom on
Of course I would be friends with "nonwhite" people, I judge people based on their actions, not on their looks or ethnic backgrounds etc.
And you're right, the swastika patch is not to promote any ideology, it's a Stormheit patch.
bad_american1992 on
You can have a jacket with crucified babies or Jesus getting raped and everyone is ok... but you get a racist patch... and everyone loses their minds!
I think Heath Ledger said that in The Dark Knight
nightslasher26 on
YES! Finally someone who gets it!
Sardu on
because in my opinion, the one thing is about "fantasy violence" (like in horror movies, comics) and the other one about real violence caused by racism, which is also still present in a lot of countries.
and the drastic illustration of violence in metal is even often meant as critique of violence/war/etc...
sry for my bad english
Nine Turning Mirrors on
That's exactly the point here!
Rayearth on
yeah , thats it
doomtilldeath on
That's because religion is a choice. And supporting NS politics is also a choice. Your skin colour or ethnic background is not a choice.
bad_american1992 on
True statement, I agree.
JesusLovesCakeFart on
This. 100% this.
GoatMaiden on
great vest and jacket. the way it should be.
Cornuvom on
Thanks.
ThrashLikeIts86 on
Jackets look good dude, listen to what you like and fuck what everyone else says.
Cornuvom on
Thanks.
Beerfiend666 on
Killer fucken jacket Hailz!!!!!
Cornuvom on
Thanks.
Vineyard on
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stenchcore massive on
+1
Cornuvom on
So if I understand correctly, you don't like the layout?
Taikon on
You know, I don't support NS ideologies nor do I like most of the bands here. But I must say it is incredibly amusing to see the uploader of this jacket acting civil while peace and equality advocates spout hatred and threats left to right.
stenchcore massive on
I havent seen anyone advocate peace here. :)
Taikon on
Maybe not here, but I thought that was part of the reason for being so adamantly opposed to far-right politics in general. It just feels to me that people here are more upset about the fact that the uploader likes Der Stürmer than his actual personal ideologies, since he has stated twice here that he has no problem interacting in a civil manner with people of different ethnicities and cultural backgrounds. I doubt his musical tastes are a 100% accurate depiction of his views of the world anyway. And before anyone tries to pass me off as nazi sympathiser, I'm a brown-skinned immigrant with descendants of multiple origins, so there you go.
stenchcore massive on
I can only speak for myself, as an anarchist I believe "politics" of any spectrum, left or right is limiting of my freedom and the freedom of others. National socialism however, is very obviously anti-freedom.
and who cares about civility? If someone's holding a gun to your head it doesnt matter if they say please and thank you. Nazi ideology has and will see guns put to the heads of millions of people if it is allowed a platform to breathe. Those bands, this persons jacket, (regardless of his civility) and so on is still a platform for those systems of oppression to form.
Taikon on
You do have a point. I just think there are better ways to approach the issue than stabbing the fellow. Bringing awareness, etc. I know that's already done by Antifa folks by limiting the number of venues such bands can perform at and so on, although I can't say I'm happy when that extends to non-NS bands due to misinformation, but that's an entirely different topic.
stenchcore massive on
Yeah, This debate goes alot deeper than patches and battle jackets... in an ideal world other approaches would be preferable, but we are far from the luxury of an ideal world and i believe any approach is better than no approach.
It is useful to remind everyone that Der Sturmer are all active members of the greek neo-nazi party Golden Dawn, whose members (in collaberation with the police) are responsible for the murders of immigrants and anarchists alike, I suppose stabbings might seem appropriate for some people, given the amount of hatred and anger felt towards neo-nazis and their beliefs.
Vineyard on
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Taikon on
Ah, I understand. I've heard a bit about the neo-nazi scene in Canada, thankfully we don't seem to have that much of a problem over here, save for a very small "aryan" motorcycle club. And yes, the guy clearly supports the views enough to have all those bands and badges on his vest. I have a Peste Noire and Napalm Death patch, and I'm neither a nationalist nor a vegan. But it's hard to justify having the majority of the bands explicitly NS without being, at the very least, comfortable with those views.
And your English is fine!
Cornuvom on
" I doubt his musical tastes are a 100% accurate depiction of his views of the world anyway. " Exactly.
And I have to correct by saying that out of the 24 bands here only 3 are NS.
Otherwise, great conversation.
Taikon on
True, but the NS bands seem to take priority with either huge back patches (Der Stürmer) or multiple patches of the same band (Goatmoon, Der Stürmer, Spear of Longinus and, on a lesser level, Satanic Warmaster/The True Werwolf). And it doesn't help your case when you get less-informed people mistaking the patriotism of Peste Noire or Stormheit for NS. I mean, you get the average non-NS guy here sporting an Absurd or Grand Belial's Key patch on their jacket, but it's a bit hard to argue that you don't, at the very least, relate to some of the views with a vest like that. But in the end, who gives a shit? It's your vest and you can listen to and support whatever you want, as long as you're aware of what you're putting your money into.
Cornuvom on
Exceptionally well said.
Kathulex on
Love the layout and the bands.
Also, this whole comment section is comedy gold.
Cornuvom on
Thanks.
foresthead on
good musical taste,in mine opinion :) looks like all others has different ideas ....
Cornuvom on
Thanks.
fucktheuniverse111 on
Ridiculously sick Leather, layout of the pins and patches is also sick. Awesome man.
Cornuvom on
Thanks
UncleDadMan on
Great jacket, man. ignore the hate, You have great taste.