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What exactly is Speed Metal?

Vectrex
Mon, 30/05/2016 - 19:40

Speed Metal is a genre that doesn't seem very defined. I recognize some Speed Metal when i listen it, like some Stuff of Motörhead, Iron Angel, Venom and to me the most recognized Speed Metal seems to be Exciter's first Album. Destruction stated in an 80's TV interview that they call their music Speed Metal...i guess because it was fast. But Celtic Frost called their music Death Metal at that time so i wouldn't give too much credit what bands said in the early days. We can only define those styles now, after the musical styles have evolved and became more specific. Some people say Judas Priest is Speed Metal which to me was always more a Heavy Metal band.

Obviously Speed Metal shares a big part with Thrash but what exactly is it that specifies as the "speedish" Part in the music? is it a faster drums? Faster way to play riffs? Or in general different and specific melodies that couldn't exist in other genres? For me personally i thought of Speed Metal more like a Mix between Thrash and traditional Heavy Metal. What do you think?


bad_american1992's picture

I'll probably get corrected for, this but I'd say Speed Metal's the love child of heavy metal and punk rock, both of which matured in the late 70s/early 80s. You take the song structure and riffing of heavy metal, but play with the tempo of punk. Thrash tends to incorporate the minor / arabian (?) scales, harsher vocals, tempo changes and breakdowns who you don't see in speed metal.

That said, trying to definte genres and boundaries for everything is the wrong way to look at music! Genrefication lead to elitists, elitists lead to hate, and hate... leads to the dark side.

Vectrex's picture

I'am not into categorizing everything, but i've seen that there are even Patches praising that genre http://tshirtslayer.com/files-tshirt/styles/shirtview/public/user-2030/3...

Thats a very well know Symbol and other genre doesn't even have own symbols. That made me think too.

whiteravenmetal's picture

THIS is the most perfect Speed you can hear: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jadbru_nlHE (Actually if you search Speed Metal on the dictionary a picture of Exciter is there). For me is the transition between traditional Heavy Metal to power/Thrash, characteristic guitar riffs and tempos. And about Judas Priest well just hear Exciter and Dissident Aggressor and tell me is not Speed, even Queen's Stone Cold Crazy is categorized to be one of the first SM songs.

Vectrex's picture

Yeah i know that Album/Band, to me also the perfect Speed Metal. But it looks like it's still not clear defined. Look the second comment under the video: "AWESOME CANADIAN THRASH!". It seems it's much lesser clear to people where to draw the line (to me).

whiteravenmetal's picture

Yeah is a complex thing, if you want to get even more confused look at the Banzai recs "Speed Metal" series, for example Show No Mercy which is the Thrash Metal milestone to me is more of an SM record because of the Heavy Metal influence in the sound, same goes for Fistful of Metal, Walls of Jericho (ok Speed-power at least) and many others. Two good records to understand the SM trademark better are Savages Grace - Master of Disguise and Blood Money - Red, Raw and Bleeding.

Vectrex's picture

Blood Money sounds also very speed metal, yeah. And Savage Grace is one of my favorite bands.

imfan1975's picture

I guess the best way I would define it is a bridge between heavy and thrash metal

gizter's picture

yeah, thats how i do it.

Into Glory Ride's picture

Very hard to figure but very interesting aswell. I would agree to imfans post i guess, that it is a mixture between Heavy and Thrash Metal, but only with Full Throttle. One very important ingredient for me are the high pitched, ear-piercing Vocals! Also Dual guitars, which is not so common in Thrash but very common in regular Heavy Metal. Also it often has a kind of ... well heroic feeling to it which is typical for (good) Heavy Metal and can also be heard in the posted Exciter Song. And of course it has to be relativley fast. ;)
Among the First Speed Metal Songs ever i would surely mention Accept's "Fast as a shark" and Priest's "Exciter".

In my eyes (ears) one of the most perfect, important and Genre-defining Bands is definitely this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdCwdfjMqHg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOq-ZW6FiOY

Also old Blind Guardian are Top Notch Speed Metal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1hfP91cgMw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTPcuie-SQU

Really hard to define. I recognize Speed Metal when i hear it, i guess that's my rather lame definition. :)

DeathInFire's picture

i've always considered it between heavy and thrash. thats why i consider bands like motorhead and venom to be speed metal since they're not iron maiden or judas priest and they're not anthrax or exodus

Cbower's picture

I always thought of speed metal as heavy metal played at very fast tempo and with fast and rhythmic riffing and drumming and relatively clean vocals. I would assume though that the song tempo would have the greatest impact on what makes music speed metal. As an example, Flotsam and Jetsam: Doomsday for the Deceiver is an album I've always considered to be speed metal, rather than thrash metal. Eric A.K. is a clean singing vocalist and word for word per minute, he sings about as fast as anyone I can think of on this record. And yes, there are some parts that are played and sung at a slower tempo, but largely the songs here are played at a very fast tempo, with very fast riffing and drumming and very fast, articulated, clean vocals. The title track is played at around 260 beats per minute or so, prestissimo. The beat is subdivided further by the guitar riffs into regular triplet patterns played in rapid succession in the verse, bridge, chorus, basically all the way through, following the slow intro, so the main, dominating riffs are played at menacing speed. But of course thrash has a lot of fast riffing and fast sung vocals so it can be hard to distinguish. I usually associate speed metal with clean vocals and higher quality production (not in a good or bad way) and tighter, more transparent mix (think Blind Guardian) and thrash usually having harsher vocals, with less production value (not in a bad way) and a looser, splashier mix (think Artillery or Sabbat UK), but that isn't always gonna be the case (Slayer comes to mind as a band often regarded to as speed metal, but with harsh vocals). Another thought: a lot of the thrash and speed coming out of the US and Germany during the late 80's were influenced by early Maiden and Priest, who pioneered speed and thrash, imo. Maiden offered more in the trash realm than Priest, largely due to Clive Burr's frantic drumming style and Paul Di'anno's harsh vocals. Priest, I think of as being more of an influence of speed metal. Just look to Painkiller to see how speed evolved for them over time and how it represents the pinnacle effort for the genre in the eyes of many speed fans. Also, Halford is largely a clean singing vocalist. For Maiden, once Dickinson stepped in, the music changed, the riffing slowed down some, and I'll bet the song tempos did too overall. There are other contributing factors, like lyrical content, political views, the band's physical look and stage presence and I'm sure other things I haven't thought of.

Vectrex's picture

It's interresting that a lot of people see speed metal connected with clear vocals. As someone who listens to BM longer than speed Metal i got all the speed metal vibe with bands like Quintessenz, Cruel Force, Bustin' Out, Baphomets Blood etc. and never thought that clear vocals are a characteristic of this style. Also Venom and Motorhead are not exactly pure clear vox bands. More like..."i sound like a drunk too much" style.

Cbower's picture

Haha very true!

Vectrex's picture

Here is another good example of pure Speed Metal imho https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N2f1Tzdigo

longe666's picture

Isnt Kill 'Em All a good example of speedmetal?

Vectrex's picture

Not really.

Attle's picture

Does it matter? If it is fast, why not call it speed, if you want.

judascrust's picture

I always thought that speed metal & thrash metal were interchangeable terms :/ they are both decidedly "speedy"

As for the speed metal "symbol" it was simply a little tag used by the canadian banzai records to let their customers know which albums they were buying that were of a more "extreme" variety; when you bought a voivod or kreator or celtic frost record and saw that little symbol in the corner, you knew this was going to be more aggressive than a twisted sister album or something.
But then someone decided to put the symbol on t-shirts and patches and I guess it ended up turning into a "thing" that people are going to debate about what exactly it means when it really doesn't mean much of anything

Vectrex's picture

Death Metal can be played fast as well.

judascrust's picture

But people would lose their shit too much if anyone dared to call a death metal band speed metal :P

Vectrex's picture

At the time it was the fastest metal around ...it just stick with people i guess....We don't call technical death metal Technical speed death metal...i wonder why. I think the Speed in the term Speed Metal is a product of its time. Because as the others stated when Heavy Metal gained Thrash influences and led to complete Thrash later, it was the fastest Heavy Metal around. Even the term doesn't meant much at the beginning, today we define a special style with that term which sound distinct to normal thrash or heavy metal, don't you agree? At least thats what i gained from that thread so far. Couldn't really define it before.

Dr. Fill's picture

I think he's right. It's just a term that someone came up with prior to people calling Metallica and Slayer "Thrash Metal." There's probably some whacko purists out there with dumb genre-obsessive limitations like "No, dude, speed metal is less note dense and more tight with slightly more melodic vocals and streamlined drumming than thrash metal." But basically it's the same darn thing. You know, in like 1987(?) Vader called themselves "Thrash/Black." I mean what's that mean? It's just a term made up in the infancy of our now Internet and boredom-induced need to categorize freakin everything.

Croby's picture

Basically heavy metal played at a faster tempo, thus, since thrash and power metal are offsprings of heavy metal, the term "speed metal" is many times interchangeable with those two, that is my interpretation of it :D

sandmanforce's picture

Speed metal for example: RAVEN, HERETIC, MELIAH RAGE, LIEGE LORD, RAGE

Vectrex's picture

I would consider Rage and Raven more on the heavy metal side..the other ones don't ring a bell with me.

Into Glory Ride's picture

Raven for sure is one of THE pioneer Speed Metal bands. Rage has nothing to do with Speed Metal in my opinion.

If You wanna hear really, really good, in fact amazing newer Speed Metal from a young and hungry Band, i would recommend without hesitation:
RANGER
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCDtOATCiv0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wq2l4nfmvAs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pzj4RZbkOU

This is exactly what Speed Metal should sound like. The Vocals alone make this perfect!

Cbower's picture

They sound really good.

Into Glory Ride's picture

Do You mean Ranger?

Another one of the better newer Speed Metal bands are Evil Invaders
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT7RXCR3E6w

sandmanforce's picture

More to come: early Helloween, Warrant (german band), Vectom

Into Glory Ride's picture

Haha Vectom, yeah. Strong band!

invisible-horizons's picture

Rage is actually more on the Speed Metal side. Just listen to these songs:

-Scared to Death
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AZdr_oLL-Gs

-Down By Law
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=J-A8dTWRjBs

-Between The Lines
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=30YxghRkFuA

Yes, they also have heavy metal, power metal, thrash influences as well. In th3 mid to late 90's, they started incorporating symphonic and progressive styles.

Into Glory Ride's picture

Well, perhaps they once were a little bit nearer to Speed Metal, but that is long ago and i would never categorize them as a pure Speed Metal band, even then.

invisible-horizons's picture

Well, definitely not now. I'd say that there first two albums are pure speed metal like old Helloween, Warrant, old Blind Guardian, Not Fragile,etc. On their third album "Perfect Man", they started implementing Power Metal into their sound. That album is like a faster and heavier "Keeper of the Seven Keys"

Into Glory Ride's picture

Perhaps i have to listen to these again as they never really were my cup of tea. But Execution guaranteed indeed sounded like old Blind Guardian in Parts , especially "Down by law".
Not Fragile, amazing band!! I own their Lost in a dream 12".

If You like this kind of stuff, do You know Final Prophecy, also from Germany?
Totally in that vein of old German Speed Metal and a well hidden gem, i got their Demo Tape.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69hwPcbcbIo

invisible-horizons's picture

I worship this kind of stuff. "Perfect Man" to me is the perfect Power/Speed Metal album just like Scanner's "Hypertrace". If you like this kind of stuff, listen to Airwolf, Mephisto, Attack (1989 and onward), Chroming Rose (first three albums), Mania, Abraxas, Reactor, Attack, etc.

It's good to know that there are people that listen to Not Fragile. They are highly underrated.

Into Glory Ride's picture

I saw Scanner some weeks ago, they did quite a great performance. Hypertrace is an amazing album. Thanks, i did know Attack, that's it haha.
Listen to Final Prophecy.
And here is a realy secret recommendation, most people do not know: Pillow Killz. A German Band from the 80's, their first Demo was Produced by Hansi Kürsch and André Olbrich. Sounds EXACTLY like Blind Guardian Follow the Blind Era. So similar it is almost scary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MW-ASX7txI

I can upload a photo of that Not Fragile if You're interested.

Cheers!

invisible-horizons's picture

That sounds great! I love the first two Blind Guardian albums. I thought I found every German Power , Speed, and Heavy Metal band. Thanks for the recommendation.

I do know Final Prophecy. They have members of Sweet Cheater and Secrecy. What about the band Crows? They have members of Wolf Spiderand Angel Dust.The Dying Race is such a great album.

Into Glory Ride's picture

You're welcome!

That's impressive, i don't know many people who know them. You really seem to be someone with a vast knowledge on this terrain. Don't know Crows but will surely check them out, thanks!

Most of the Bands You mentioned seem to have excellent Coverartworks. Real Oldschool Feeling here.

invisible-horizons's picture

Thanks man! I have a passion for this stuff. It started off with bands like Helloween, Rage, Running Wild, and then I wanted to branch out and look even further.

Attle's picture

Fantastic stuff @ Pillow Killz. Thanks for the rec!

Into Glory Ride's picture

You're welcome!

Vectrex's picture

I never could get into halloween, blind guardian etc., power metal in general. Even they are regarded as speed metal in their early days, they still had these typical power metal melodies and sound. I'am more on the aggressive, more dark, thrash side of speed metal.

invisible-horizons's picture

If anything, you'd probably like the first Rage album "Reign of Fear". That one is more Speed/Thrash than any of there following albums. They even tour with Destruction and Kreator on the "Hell Comes To Your Town Tour '86" supporting that album.

-Rage - Echoes Of Evil

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TXWi3NJqFQc

sandmanforce's picture

Yes they had some different era, speed, power, heavy,

Vectrex's picture

Here is another great Speed Metal Song/Band https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9UGiYwknYg

sandmanforce's picture

I think Speed metal an existing between heavy metal and thrash metal...what do you think?

Into Glory Ride's picture

Another great Speed Metal Act from the US (i actually listen to the vinyl right now) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=La__AjvRPFY

sfusyron's picture
RavenEffect's picture

Speedtrap, Speedbreaker, Ewig Frost (thought, this is more Metalpunk, but without a doubt, it's Speed Metal influenced)

invisible-horizons's picture
DeathByMetalAustralia's picture

Killing is my Business... and Business is good...

Enough said.

Vectrex's picture

That feels more like thrash -roove mix to me.

NocturnalOccultist's picture

Sounds silly but here it goes.
Basically Speed Metal is all about the feel of the music. Lets say that a guitar player wanted to play faster than ever or a drummer wanted to show his fast skills then they need some "blow" in order to play faster. Drinking booze helps a little bit in singing. and Bass players, you can't be Steve Harris or Lemmy.

THMManiac's picture

I feel like Speed metal is a more Primitive, a little bit less aggressive version of thrash metal but a more technical version of Traditional metal. So I'm here to preach about the D and G strings on the guitar.....Speed metal in general uses a lot more traditional style riffs on the middle strings of the guitar which was kind of heard in kill em and fistful of metal all but forgotten as thrash got more hardcore like Hell awaits and darkness descends. that type of middle string riffing was very common in traditional metal bands like Accept, and Tank and in NWOBHM in general. the name speed metal barely makes sense anymore because all the bands sound pretty mid paced compared to the beats of Watain or Sadus so the name is easily misunderstood.

Vectrex's picture

Can you show me a Riff in a Speed Metal song that is played with those strings? I'am no musician and can't imagine what you mean.

sergius's picture

I consider speed metal the first albums of thrash metal bands after 84´, because the mayor part of the riffs are in open E, and they played it fast and add some notes , but the mayor part of them are open E, fast guitar solos, and lirycs about beer, been rude, motorcycles,satan,heavy metal.

Vectrex's picture

Are Jag Panzer Speed Metal?

Into Glory Ride's picture

Wouldn't consider them as Speed Metal, no. Jag Panzer are quite Clearly USPM (US Power Metal, in contrast to European Tralala Power Metal).

Vectrex's picture

There is a difference? what about Anvil?

Into Glory Ride's picture

Between Speed and USPM or between USPM and Euro PM? Anyway in both cases there is of course a huge difference.

Vectrex's picture

Between US Power Metal and european Power Metal.. To me Power Metal always was this happy, encouraging, hymnic, shit like Halloween, Gamma Ray and Blind Guardian play it.

Into Glory Ride's picture

And all these Bands are....? Correct, European. A more let's call it joyful and uplifting atmosphere is indeed one of the main characteristics of Euro Power Metal (although not mandatory).
US Power Metal (or in Short US-Metal) has its roots in Classical Heavy Metal and sounds completely different, laying the emphasis more on this kind of Metal. Apart from that You typically either having rather deep raspy Vocals on the one hand or high pitched screams on the other. I would also describe the whole music as much more agressive and biting than itss European Brother. Overall it just deserves the term "Power Metal" much more because that just what it communicates: Power.
Some examples for typical USPM:

Metal Church: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeiOH3jyoFk
Vicious Rumors: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyFYU9WtIvg
Armored Saint: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynMZ0tJsB7M
Jag(d) Panzer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2YHC5DWtdU
Attacker: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_32uUM3yQQI
The first Iced Earth Stuff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CyGNGTkNto
Helstar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkjgE4DKXio
Satan's Host: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrypbI4Y4L8
Crimson Glory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Crdfuk8dLE4

One of the best Newer USPM Bands is for sure Power Theory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0dQPga87oQ

Then of course there is the mpre progressive or the more Epic side of US Metal, but all these I would consider as classic and Killer USPM.

Vectrex's picture

I always thought those bands play just "Heavy Metal", i see no difference to normal Heavy Metal and US Power Metal to be honest...But i dig Metal Church and Jagdpanzer. So...power to to US Bands!

Vectrex's picture

Does someone know a band that plays Speed Metal like this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrD4CdgyHxU ?

Into Glory Ride's picture

Puh..... quite special approach, do not know any band like this at first thinking. Especially the Vocals...

Vectrex's picture

Found more pretty sick Speed Metal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0kWdGKwVQs

nwobhmbanger's picture

How about differentiating melodic speed metal from power metal? That's one thing I never understood.

Vectrex's picture

So is Speed Metal lesser melodic than say Power Metal? If that's the case we cannot count Helloween as Speed Metal.

Into Glory Ride's picture

No, You can't set that as a holy rule. Speed Metal is pretty much always very melodic, all the more the early pioneer stuff like Helloween or old Guardian.

Vectrex's picture

But Agent Steel isn't that melodic neither. So melodies are no indiciation of its speed metal or not, Voice is not an indiciation... you guys really stress me out. There is still no clear definition it seems.

Into Glory Ride's picture

Haha, i would agree there is no real clear definition. But Agent Steel are extremely melodic in my opinion, just listen to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzOvJdl8Jh0 (only the Demo sadly)

Vectrex's picture

Yeah i know that song, i actually like their music. But compare this to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNsCdUok7lc
I think Helloween are much more melodic to this point that i can't simply call them speed metal (in my opinion) anymore. They really sound like german Power Metal..theres so much melodies and more hymnic parts..i don't know, if i imagine Speed metal i have a more straight forward music in mind. more hmm.. let me put it in german: "röhren". The stuff you would expect from Motorhead.

Into Glory Ride's picture

I of course know what You mean, and there begins the problem of definition and demarcation. The limits are fluid i guess and yes, Murderer sounds a lot like German Power Metal. But take the Killer Opener of the same records, Ride the Sky, one of the best Speed Metal Songs of all time.
I guess back then the "borders" were just not as fixed as today.
But yes, it's really hard. I decide from case to case actually,
Speed Metal tritt halt mehr Arsch. (Speed Mtal kicks ass more than Power Metal [at least than European] )

Vectrex's picture

Check this track https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSu665ZO-Ns
I think this has a looooot what makes Speed Metal.

Into Glory Ride's picture

I would agree on the music. But as stated before for me Speed Metal has high shrieking, ear-punching vocals almost mandatory.

Vectrex's picture

But why? I mean whats the reason? If we assume Motorhead was the first "Speed Metal", (i think i somewhere read that on wikipedia), then by definition the music would have a more lemmy-kind of voice to it? I know thats impossible, because Exciter or Agent Stee play Speed as well, but you know what i wanna ask: Why have become high shrieking voices attached to that genre in the heads of people? But whatever, even Destruction called their music Speed Metal in the 80s, so probably nobody knows what it is anyway.

invisible-horizons's picture

That's why I always attach the word "Power" when I talk about some of the early German Speed Metal bands. I call it "Power / Speed Metal".

Vectrex's picture

And whats the kind of stuff like Living Death? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIHQZvZYsMw

Is that Speed Metal or would you add the term Thrash to it ? Cause it's german, and it sounds nothing like Power Metal to me..but also not really Thrash.

invisible-horizons's picture

I'd put them under Speed Metal, although, Protected From Reality is pretty thrashy. Another good German Speed Metal band to check out is Warrant.

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