Tshirtslayer is one big steaming pile of hypocrisy.

Deathcore.Is.No...Sun, 05/08/2012 - 02:43

Not too long ago I came across a tape on this website by the band War 88. The tape was then taken down the very same day it was posted. Obviously, for no other reason than because the album cover was Nazi oriented.

Link to the album cover here: http://www.cultmetal.com/files/war%2088.JPG

Naturally this bothered myself and other members of the Tshirtslayer community. This tape was taken down only because it showed support to National Socialism. The action of removing the item is nothing short of censorship. And when the hell did censorship ever become an accepted part of the metal culture? (I am paraphrasing quotes from comments made by other members of the TSS community) Many people on this site listen to extreme metal, expect extreme lyrical topics. Apparently murder, rape, necrophilia, suicide, church burnings, animal sacrifice, and torture are all fine and dandy, but as soon as Hitler and his boys are mentioned, then it turns into one big shit fest.

This album is uploaded on TSS: http://www.earache.com/webstore/images/rompeprop-hellcocks-pornflakes-cd...

(Feel free to look it up if you don't believe me)

That image is somehow suitable for this website, but a swastika is not.

Also, please explain to me why National Socialism images aren't allowed on this site. I've seen the Hammer and Sickle logo (commonly associated with Communism) on this site, and as we all (should) know, Stalin, Pol Pot, and many other communist leaders have killed MILLIONS of more people than National Socialism ever did. For some reason though, those deaths are just disregarded. The Communist leaders did more than just outright kill millions of people, Communism has also killed thousands, if not millions, by their policies alone. Meanwhile, National Socialism brought Germany from being in the worst economic state is has ever been in, to being a world power within less than 20 years.

I am not a National Socialist. I simply believe that censorship is bullshit. Deleting merchandise because the band supports a certain political ideology is simply wrong.

DevilzForce on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 02:48

i think the removal of that tape had to do with the owner who got banned.... but ti is an interesting point regardless..

Deathcore.Is.No... on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 02:53

No, the owner of that tape is still active and has other uploaded items.

Plague on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 02:59

Did the owner take it down? Gotta find out the truth from Dr. Death. I don't think there is a "policy" about that stuff.

Deathcore.Is.No... on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 03:05

No on that too. I asked the owner myself and he confirmed he did not take it down.

DevilzForce on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 02:57

i believe the doc partly banned him so...

almostwilt on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 02:59

Yeah i'd have to agree with you.
Its funny how DrDeath was all against that Sopa/Pipa thing and even contributing to shutting down the website for a day in support to stop censorship but yet here he is censoring his users for content we post and things he dislikes, but OH if WE severely dislike something its the ban hammer for us.

lexb on Tue, 07/08/2012 - 07:29

Not really the same thing. PIPA SOPA has to do with the government shutting down websites without due process. This is a person's website where he makes the rules. You agree to that when you join the site. I don't believe that drdeath ever stated TshirtSlayer as being a democracy.

Deathcore.Is.No... on Tue, 07/08/2012 - 10:31

I don't know why these idiotic "It's his site" comments keep popping up. SOPA has a lot more to do than just shut down websites without due process, the bill wasn't a page long. Alts point was that DD was being hypocritical by not favouring government censorship, but promoting his own.

lexb on Wed, 22/08/2012 - 15:08

I think you GRAVELY misunderstood why a lot of people were against the bill. Many were against the bill not because of a generalized and vague notion of, "I'm against censorship!" It was because the way the bill was written, it could be heavily abused by the government to silence dissidents or by corporations to silence competition. I don't get how that translates to an admin not having the right to choose what is on his site at his own discretion. So, I guess you would have no problem if an individual came into your house and started telling people a bunch of crazy or aggressive bullshit. You would be all about their freedom, right? You have never asked someone to stop doing something at your house that was inappropriate? How about I start hanging out at your house with a megaphone saying fucked up shit to your family and neighbors and then wee will see how much you are against censoring someone. You take the anti-censoring shit so far it becomes rigid\ and illogical.

DoctorDeath on Wed, 22/08/2012 - 09:19

And yet you keep logging in here, you're quite welcome to leave

Deathcore.Is.No... on Thu, 23/08/2012 - 01:36

I don't get your comment. I think he logs on to view the items on this site, not anything else.

whiteravenmetal on Wed, 22/08/2012 - 10:07

well is not the same shutting down a whole website just for putting a youtube video than deleting some nazi shit. I'm not agree with any kind of censorship, but I don't like any discrimination either. Dr.Death has left the fucking tape, so why people are still fucking around? If someone don't like the site and think this is a dictatorship then fuck off.

wehavearrived49 on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 03:26

Alright, you have some very valid points BUT...this site is his creation. So, it's in his grounds. Maybe he will lighten up but that's up to him, not us. Reality is not supposed to be fair. Nothing is perfect. There are more important things to fuss about than this. For starters, there are PLENTY of other metal sites that allow NSBM type stuff. Go there if you're not happy with things here. Not every metal site is ran the same way. So, don't expect each and every one of them to bow to your standards. Off to the Nuclear War Now Productions forum I go!

MoreGoreLessCore on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 03:31

I do agree with Wehavearrived49 it is his site and he has the rights to do what he want's with it. If you don't like what he does then fuck off, you are not bound to the site.

Deathcore.Is.No... on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 03:43

No shit it's his site. I'm just pointing out the flaws in his site. Just because you take whatever comes at you like a bitch, doesn't mean we all have to.

wehavearrived49 on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 03:56

You can "logically attack" his statement without calling him a bitch. I know you know the rules just as I do. Not trying to be an ass but you probably already landed yourself in hot water from the Doc's point of view. There's certain things people have to do in life that they don't want to do. It's a part of getting older. Sometimes one has to accept the crap in the world as is and just realize that some things NEVER change. I refuse to live in a state of delusion to where I think "everything will go my way and turn out fine". Well, sometimes things don't go your way and turn out fine. Being "rebellious" to try and reach some sort of end result to meet ones standards all the time has a very slippery slope in the end.

Deathcore.Is.No... on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 04:04

I was aware of that when I posted this thread. I'm putting my account on the line in order to make Tshirtslayer a better place for all its members. Thanks for the grownup advice dude, but just because things are shit doesn't mean they have to be either. If something is not to your liking, do something about it. Not everything in life sucks and won't change. There's a difference between being rebellious and wanting change.

wehavearrived49 on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 04:20

Dude, why are you treating this like it's a social issue? I'm pretty sure that the local homeless guy standing on the street corner willing to work on job for food he hasn't seen in days could care less about petty BS like certain NSBM stuff not being allowed on a certain metal site. This is not the worst thing to happen since the Wall Street Collapse of 1929 you know.

Deathcore.Is.No... on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 04:32

Yeah, I had no idea this wasn't a huge issue in terms of the entire world. But in terms of this website, yes, it is an important issue.

lexb on Wed, 22/08/2012 - 15:11

I really like your comments. Some actual perspective.

MoreGoreLessCore on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 03:57

Haha.

mayhempunk666 on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 04:46

http://tshirtslayer.com/actionshot/dirty-love

i still dont fully understand why this isnt gone yet

Deathcore.Is.No... on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 04:49

wehavearrived49 on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 04:50

hahaha. Hmmm, we will see.

blackstar1965 on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 05:23

I don't fully understand why it's rated so highly. That chick is ugly!

almostwilt on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 09:57

As I think pic is abit disgusting I gotta say do you really care if a girl is ugly or not? Does a girl have to be smokin hot and listen to metal for you to wanna bang and date?

Deathcore.Is.No... on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 11:54

Maybe I've got high standards.. But yeah, Lol.

ToxikAssault on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 05:24

That's not even a bad one. There once was a actionshot of dead cat with cigarette in its mouth.
But I guess that's all right in a site like this, there are far worse pictures as album covers.

meaningless on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 06:39

maybe because DocDeath is at Wacken :P

iambadcompany on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 05:40

Their music is their political ideology dude just a bunch of shit!
I for one support Dr.Death.

Deathcore.Is.No... on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 05:54

I'm not saying you have to support the NS ideology, I'm just saying it's stupid to censor certain metal band's merch just because they support a specific ideology.

iambadcompany on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 05:58

But if you think about it he has to draw the line somewhere.

mayhempunk666 on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 06:08

actually no, drawing a line is impossible. Do you know why? Because everyone has a different line.

Censorship of something you dont like will only open the gate way for censorship of the things you do like. It may all seem great in the moment, but a little while down the line, when the lights go on and you find that your best friend's ugly sister is laying naked on top you, everyone loses.

blackstar1965 on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 06:27

Yeah! Take a look at the picture above!

In all seriousness though, you nailed it on the head. It's why we have to deal with political correctness, "bad words" being censored on tv and the radio, and also why Wal-Mart sells only "clean" versions of music.

Censorship is bullshit. It promotes a lack of tolerance, increases ignorance, and makes people just plain naive. So many subjects are considered taboo and it's censorship in one form or another that keeps things taboo.

iambadcompany on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 06:53

Everyone knows and understands racism its universal and should be stopped.

mayhempunk666 on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 07:12

instead of actually using a response you just give a cute and idealist platitude?

i cant even respond to that

iambadcompany on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 08:32

Aww you think im cute;) ....no point of arguing with you

almostwilt on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 09:54

Seems clear to me you couldn't think of a logical response so you pulled out the grade 2 response.

iambadcompany on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 09:57

Yup you got me oh well.

mayhempunk666 on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 10:58

*no point IN arguing with you

*cough*someoneknowstheirpositionisnonlogicalandbyextensiontotalbs*cough*

iambadcompany on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 11:13

My position not logical??
I am against racism and I beileve by supporting these types of bands you are futther spreading their racism. We can talk all the bullshit we want but my stance or postion is final and I am assuming yours as well. Just explain to with out attacking or insults your postion. I want understand I really do...

Deathcore.Is.No... on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 11:56

What about GG Allin? What about the Mentors? They supported rape, and female abuse. How come you don't want there stuff banned too?

iambadcompany on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 12:34

There are alot of what if. But to me it doesnt make it okay to support racist bands that glorify racism...

Deathcore.Is.No... on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 14:55

You don't have to support it. But if people want to view the content, why do you get to decide that they can't? As if letting bands with NS content on TSS would turn all the members into Nazis...

mayhempunk666 on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 13:07

this isnt about racism, this is about CENSORSHIP. Stop trying to make it about racism.

Do you believe that this site should be censored to remove any possibly racially/socially offensive material?

and by extension, do you believe that in society it should be the same?

Respond to my earlier statement

iambadcompany on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 13:17

I beileve it should stop racist ideas being advertised. I do not care about generalities of censorship, if it promotes racism then it should be taken down.

mayhempunk666 on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 15:19

1. Which will achieve what exactly?
2. Define racist ideas
3. Define promoting racist ideas
4. Define generalities of censorship and why you dont care about them

Mr.Something on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 05:54

I agree with you man, nothing should be censored here.

Ironbound on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 06:26

I'm against censorship but I also don't support nazisim. But nothing metal should be taken down due to artwork or lyrical content, I mean c'mon, we're metalheads, I'm sure we can handle it.

meaningless on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 06:42

in some countrys u get problems with stuff like this, even if u are just a host. if TSS should be on a server, which stays in a country (JUST FOR EXAMPLE) where this nazi-stuff isnt allowed, DocDeath could go into trouble.

...just my point of view why ppl delete stuff like this...
Just my thoughts :)

wehavearrived49 on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 10:10

True. Especially Germany. They sort of have a no-tolerance policy on stuff like this and I can understand why. NO one really wants to be reminded of their past. We are not going to find someone that actually survived the holocaust on here are we? I dare someone to go up to some elderly lady who survived the holocaust and spout off their NS rhetoric to their face. I've seen some of those disrespectful cunts do that to a child just because they happen to be Jewish. If you're going to go off on someone for being Jewish then don't do it towards a child. No child deserves that. I bet quite a few of folks on here have never been down to some hardcore (Agnostic Front, Siege style) shows down in Orlando, FL. We have everything from those NS guys showing up wanting to be pricks to riots involving the police. Had they stayed home, some kids wouldn't have gotten seriously hurt. I have had a grudge against fuckers like that for many years for what has been done towards people that weren't bothering them in the first place. Fuck! I swear, I get along more with an 9 or 80 year old than a 17, 23 or 40 year old. Born in the wrong time period. I remember talking to an old man who fought with the 1st infantry division (the big red one) about a subject like this and how it's pretty prevalent in where I'm from and he just shook his head. You don't want to know the things these people have seen. I used to work for a elderly home and I woke up one night to one gentleman having some war flashbacks. Poor guy. This is why a lot of old folk think this generation and a few previous generations are a bunch of idiots. I don't blame them. I would too if I was them. Remember when Kreator wouldn't play a certain festival unless Satanic Warmaster where taken off the bill? Satanic Warmaster where taken off the bill. Things happen. Quorthon of Bathory got in trouble with the German press in the 1990's because of the lyrics to "Distinguish To Kill" off of "Requiem". They thought they where "pro-NS" but they where not. They only told a story about the holocaust. That's it. Quorthon did not support NSBM type bands though. He hated the fact that he was being grouped with them due a huge majority of those bands citing his work as an influence and covering some songs. I just think that every time topics like this are posted, the end result is the same. Nothing is achieved by this in the end. We know what happened last time so why do it again? More arguing like no tomorrow. I've come to the conclusion that being this is a VERY hot button topic, a solution can never be reached. Well, not at the moment. Same goes with religion, politics, abortion, you name it. It never stops. It keeps on going for ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever..........Oh fuck when will this train ride end? If wishing certain NS types to get what's coming to them is a "bad thing" than MANY bands would be in the shitter right now. Napalm Death, Kreator, Destruction, Sodom, etc. Then again, some bands use NS imagery to shock people such as Holocausto (used in this case) and don't actually adhere to that ideology. It's something to think about.

"Distinguish To Kill"....all this does is just describe the holocaust. It's telling the horrors of it in a very well written way. It is in NO WAY promoting it.

System the crooked cross
the code yellow star
machinery of death will grind
the trains keep on rolling
both nearby and far
the cargo is of Abrahams kind

Gasping for air
in the stench and the heat
losing track of the number of days
only the cramped space
keeps people afeet
while all hope vanishes like a haze

All comes to hault
and the doors slam wide open
then all are called out on the ground
a sweet sour smell
fills all lungs on the platform
the roar of the death machine sounds

Phallos of death
giant chimneys arise
spewing ashes and fire way high
the disciplin of racial purity
the code by which you all
fuckin' must die

Distinguish to Kill
Distinguish to Kill

Shiny black leather boots
peaked caps in grey
sporting the deaths head mean grin
yellow star patch
and pink triangle displayed
numbers inked into bear skin

Rows of barbed wire
high voltaged in miles
ensurance to kill all last hope
the only way out of this hell is to go
through the chimney
like thick burning smoke

Burning the bodies
the owens glow white
as the heat cracks the skulls open wide
bodily human fluids joins the melted fat
running down the collecting pipes

Now grinding the piles
of burned bones to powder
the system perfected and complete
all to attain and remain in purity racialy
the wheels turn in deaths industry

iambadcompany on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 10:10

Very true even slayer, never thought it that way. Much respect dude.

Deathcore.Is.No... on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 11:59

Dude, if you don't want to look at it, that's perfectly fine. But don't stop people who do want to view that content, that's simply wrong. Tshirtslayer should be an unbiased site. As long as its metal related, it should be welcome.

DoctorDeath on Wed, 22/08/2012 - 09:21

Where do I draw the line tho? Can you draw the line for every 33,000 entries on here?

You know this server is an IBM.. and IBM helped with the holocaust..

Deathcore.Is.No... on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 12:00

Ahhhh, you said it very well.

SatanicSchizo on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 11:27

Haha, fuck.... Am I the only who just comes on to look at metal merch anymore??? Fuck all this political drama... Im going back to looking at tshirts, I don't have time to read all this shit :)

eddiethehead666 on Mon, 20/08/2012 - 10:24

Deathcore.Is.No... on Mon, 20/08/2012 - 12:15

I come here to look at merch too, and I do want some third party to decide what merch I can see and what I cannot.

R.J. on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 12:35

Totally agreed that no censorship would be best. But you have to realize that this is DoctorDeath's website, and if he doesn't want to see Nazi shit on HIS website then he shouldn't have to. It also states pretty clearly in the rules that he doesn't tolerate sexism/racism, so if you were wondering where he draws the line in terms of censorship, that's where. It would be great if he changes his mind and decides not to censor certain things, but I can also understand why he wouldn't. You don't pay to use this site and no one is forcing you to stay if it is really that unbearable. The best solution would probably be to PM DoctorDeath, rather than publicly criticising his policies.

Deathcore.Is.No... on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 14:57

Yeah, it is his website, but a good site owner/admin would take into consideration the opinion of the community.

R.J. on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 16:36

Like I said, it would do more good to send him a PM first rather than creating all of this unnecessary drama. It would be good if he took into consideration the opinion of the community, but I would totally understand if he didn't and would respect his decision. If he doesn't like NS, why the hell should he have to host NS content on his website? He does a great job with this site and gets a ton of shit for seemingly everything he does. I've seen tons of complaint threads, yet not one thanking him for building such a great community. I say take your complaints to him directly, rather than publicly calling this site a "big steaming pile of hypocrisy".

Deathcore.Is.No... on Mon, 06/08/2012 - 03:02

I made this thread to rant and to see if I had community support on the issue. Perhaps I will end up messaging him, but either way if he does continue to censor metal bands with NS themes, I now know that many of the TSS community will be decently upset.

lexb on Tue, 21/08/2012 - 00:52

Congratulations, rant achieved. I'm sure all teh people who want to post racist shirts are very glad to have you around. My suggestion is that if you are so bothered by the "censorship" here, then go start a nazi band shirt website. On a side note: I'm sure if the nazis won, they'd be totally cool about not censoring stuff. The irony.

Deathcore.Is.No... on Tue, 21/08/2012 - 03:17

What's wrong with enjoy all metal shirts on this site? Why do things have to be segregated? No matter who won WWII, things would have been censored. No 'side' is free from that notion.

lexb on Wed, 22/08/2012 - 14:54

At one point, I kinda shared your deluded concept of freedom online and how sites "should" be what I think they should be...Then, I got used to the real world, the one where other people do things as they see fit and not as I see fit. I actually wouldn't really care if the NAZI shit were here, but I think it would be unnecessarily problematic for the site.
Who the fuck are you to come in here and basically demand that he change his position for you? You are a bit of an asshole in how you are going about this. You had a point at first, but you got an answer and didn't like it, so now you are beating your head against the wall anyways in an attempt to sway opinions. This thread as an attempt to strong arm him into making the changes by trying to rally "the mob" on your side of the issue. Get over it! If you don't like the decision, LEAVE! Fucking simple. And you know what? I practice what I preach. I left ShirtChasers because I couldn't agree with the rules or the admin's modus operandi.

ImproperBurial on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 16:11

I'm going to weigh in here on the side of non-censorship. If someone can't handle seeing NSBM-related merch, then don't click on it or look at it. It's not like one person listening to those bands or wearing their merch forces everyone else to listen to them. I don't even listen to NSBM bands myself, but will I instantly condemn someone who does? Absolutely not, because there's more to a person than that. And as others before me have said, when censorship begins, where does it end? It will only get worse from here, with more people getting bothered and offended, until we have a clean, sanitary, kid-friendly TSS that doesn't have anything with offensive content, no "Devil-worshiping" bands, no shirts with cursing, etc, somewhat reminiscent of something the PMRC would have imposed back in the 80's. And is that what we want? I didn't think so. If you don't like stuff being on here, just don't look at it. And if that's not enough, if you can't handle its mere presence, you just have to suck it up and deal with it.

TThrasher on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 19:14

I really could'nt care less if a band where NS. What bothers me more are all the Antifa left-wing extremists who flame items on TSS.

Tico Tyrant on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 20:26

I don't support 'censorship' completely, but practical decisions based on careful observation is key. I also think some of these NSDAP bands ( note *nsdap*) should just melt of the face of earth, or follow der Führer into the bunker...it's no wonder why some of it isn't welcomed with 'raised hand hails' on t shirt slayer.

I'm all for nationalism and socialism, even radical views, though in doses..and pending the social, political and specific situation behind the influence of a bands message... but honestly, *SOME* of these Hitler worshiping bands are an embarrassment to metal let alone an embarrassement to extremism.

Communist posts are just as bad, some of them surprisingly get to stay up...
I mean... here's the deal
No censorship, have at it... but realize it's someone else's website, a collective and practical solution has to be reached....so multiple facets of the feedback should be thought about....
but some material out there is really fucking stupid 'subjective' or not...
and this is coming from someone who love's anything from Graveland, Dub Buk, Peste Noire, Absurd and even *some* Der Sturmer*

Deathcore.Is.No... on Mon, 06/08/2012 - 03:07

Yeah, there are plenty of idiotic and foolish NSBM bands that are most definitely an embarrassment to metal. But there are also plenty of bands from basically every genre and sub-genre that do the exact same thing. However not everyone is going to agree with that. A band you or I may think is complete shit, another member could think they're fantastic and want to view their merch. Personal taste shouldn't play a part at all.

DevilzForce on Mon, 06/08/2012 - 03:11

i agree although i do not like nazies and stuff like that, you censor everything or nothing at all

DevilzForce on Mon, 06/08/2012 - 03:11

i agree although i do not like nazies and stuff like that, you censor everything or nothing at all

Tico Tyrant on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 20:28

it's a it of a tough predicament in knowing where to and not to draw the line, you make a good point about the other explicit material that is allowed, but certain guidelines are laid out on the website...so I guess it can get to the point where the users might end up getting anal retentive...it's simply difficult to please everyone, but yes....this is actually a valid post. + 1 for speaking up about it, but I still don't take some of those bands seriously...but of a waste of space, but at least if I see that post...I'm not going to flag it or complain, I'll just ignore it and move onto a shirt or something I like....
I can think of better things to do, than to become politically correct over a networking website that talks about metal

DoctorDeath on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 22:39

Where do you draw censorship? you know the servers tshirtslayer run on are IBM's, and IBM are well known to have helped with the holocaust, what the fuck do you want me todo about every single post? where do you draw the line? i delete some occasionally that i find, but many probably dont get deleted.

If you want to iterate over the 33,084 and start a debated on every single one you feel is 'hypocritical' then please, go ahead, make a shared google spreadsheet and go nuts!

Deathcore.Is.No... on Mon, 06/08/2012 - 03:13

I'm glad you replied.

What I'm trying to get across is that there shouldn't be any censorship on TSS. As long as the item/actionshot is metal related, it should be allowed to stay up. I realize it's next to impossible to moderate the 33,000+ items on the site, but to delete an item just because the band holds National Socialist ideals seems absurd to me (no pun intended.)

Just as an example, I find bands content such as Torsofuck, Rompeprop, and so on, to be offensive. That doesn't mean it should be deleted, because I'm sure there are plenty of members who want to view such bands merchandise.

I hope I'm not rambling. My point is: If it's metal, it should be able to stay.

DevilzForce on Sun, 05/08/2012 - 23:14

to be honest, you need to appoint more people that have the ability to remove on here, the problem with this site is more that you can't see everything that goes on here by yourself and thus a lot slips through the nets so to speak...

Stronthor on Mon, 06/08/2012 - 04:02

If I recall correctly there was this user not too long ago, who uploaded a bunch of Nazi/WWII memorabilia on this site because of his fascination with that period in history. At first there were some raised eyebrows but after the uploader's clarifications there weren't that much objections. Nazism and WWII are frequently used as lyrical themes in metal anyway and as long as the band doesn't support the actual ideology nobody really gives a shit.

I personally hate Nazis and their sympathizers with a passion, but I don't think NS metal merch should be censored by default. If think the line should be drawn when a member starts to treat this site as a NS message board. Just to name an example, there is this one guy here on TSS (not going to use his name) who seems to think it's of vital importance that all his posts end with something along the lines of "Fisting Anne Frank" which to me is fine. I can't take offense from that, it's just way to silly and juvenile and if he thinks it makes him a real badass I'd piss myself laughing. Anyway, what I'm trying to get at is that on this site, just like in real life, I'd rather know who deserves my respect. So, if someone wants to upload a couple of photo's of his ultra kvlt NSBM demo tape handnumbered 14/88 with 100% aryan semen stains on it without his nazi dumbfuck hatespeech propaganda, let him. That way he's happy and I know I have no reason to take anything he has to say seriously.

Deathcore.Is.No... on Mon, 06/08/2012 - 09:04

Agreed. There's a huge difference between simply uploading some merch from a NS band and posting racist comments elsewhere.

Tico Tyrant on Mon, 06/08/2012 - 20:55

Really well put here.

TThrasher on Mon, 06/08/2012 - 19:11

If this goes on, TSS might start to look like Youtube.

eddiethehead666 on Mon, 20/08/2012 - 11:02

Haha I can't believe you guys are supporting a stupid ass band like this. The "War 88" cover makes me want to vomit, not the pornogrind one. This type of shit would only attract more racist cunts to this site. http://www.metal-archives.com/images/1/2/3/2/12322_photo.jpg?0434 Here's some "White Aryan Resistance" for you. What a sad excuse for a human being. I would be really fucking scared if I saw him walking down the street in my direction. And speaking of hypocrisy, this band is from Poland. How fucking stupid can humanity get?

Deathcore.Is.No... on Mon, 20/08/2012 - 12:14

It's not about supporting the band, it's about being able to view metal merch regardless of its content. By the way, are you aware of how many National Socialist bands are from Poland? There's a huge NS scene there, and not in just metal.

lexb on Tue, 21/08/2012 - 00:46

At the end of the day, are you really surprised it would be removed? Racism and Nazi shit is much less socially accepted around the world, even in the metal community, and is even illegal in some places. Violent images in general are not nearly as taboo and disliked as Nazi/racist shit. This site has a fine line to walk, but at the end of the day, it's Dr death's site to do with as he pleases, not yours or anyone else's to make his decisions. Your idea of it being censorship and that there shouldn't be any seems to indicate that you, at least subconsciously, somehow view this place as an extension of America. It's not.

Deathcore.Is.No... on Tue, 21/08/2012 - 03:18

You're a nut.

lexb on Wed, 22/08/2012 - 14:59

Is that supposed to bother me? Coming from you that means nothing and it was fairly pointless to post. Keep posting away here, all you are doing is creating divisiveness.

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