Abbys records sells nazi black metal.WTF?

Der Sturmer is the worst fucking band in the world. I don't care what people say i will never listen to their music. Nazis are the scum of this earth

Yeah, they sell nazi music, they also are apart of Darker than Black Records, a prominent Nazi record label.

Of course, they have many bands that are different genres and styles, that are affiliated with their label and distribution.I'm not surprised, because to my limited knowledge, they are with some other labels that work with similar bands.

I would say if it bothers you so much,just don't buy those albums or pay attention to them if you don't like them, it's not such a big deal...besides, most of the bands that truly are 100% "nazi" or promote NSDAP ideologies and sing on about the great reich, etc,tend to sound crappy....I'd much rather listen to Graveland or Inquisition, etc something better, ya know?

waahh wahhh boo-hoo, they sell Nazi music! Try to find one punk site online that doesn't sell Communist band merchandise and Hammer & Sickle patches/shirts.

Like you wont find ns bands on hhr, fpr, etc. Just dont buy any. This isnt news!

I see there are a lot of mess about nazi metal bands...
Dudes forget about it
U won`t do anything just writing about it in forums
Besides i believe u are free to have any idealogic in your life and also u are free to express it at any type of art

Der Sturmer are fucking terrible, but i could truly care less about what bands the distro sells.

i love abyssrecords, i buy most of my import cd's, shirts, and patches from there. (my absurd patch also came from there). Abyssrecords is a straight distro for underground metal bands. Along with selling NSBM merch, they also sell Hirax merch, Suffocation Merch, and multiple other bands that have ethnically diverse line ups.

Abyssrecords is the most honest distro on the web, they sell music of all ideologies and back grounds. And for the record, im black and dont give a shit

Most metal sites also sell anti-religious propaganda but not a lot of metalheads complain about that.

There was a metal store in Berlin last year called Metal and Hell which i went a few times great fucken store that got attacked by the scumbags called Antifa becouse he was selling SOME Pagan/NS metal cd's.the shop closed it's doors after that.

Honestly, a person should be able to express their views however the hell they want to. If they wanna be nazis and write music about it they should be able to do it. It's better than them going out and killing a bunch of people. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't good.

I know this is unrelated to the topic.
But HAPPY METALLICA DAY!
30 years from this day!

Abyss Records were not always a 'nazi' store..or whatever u wanna call it. I ordered carcass stuff there..hm..might be 12 years ago, no Nazistuff back in days.

.... then I realized this post was made by an actual child. yeah man there is nazi stuff on most distros

fuck nazi shit!

Der Strumer is okay. But they've sold products from NSBM bands for a while now. You're like 12, so you wouldn't know.

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The only shop I know that absolutely to the point holds steady about no Nazi stuff is a local store called Armageddon Records. They don't even carry Burzum fer cryin' out loud XD Nor Anal Cunt but that's only because the vocalist of DropDead, one of the guys who runs the store, had beef with Seth Putnam and apparently will continue it posthumously.

I just don't understand why NSBM is so big deal... For me it's just music, just like if band has satanic lyrics, they doesn't matter. Communism is just the same piece of crap as fascism... And if a store sells NS music, it's not a big deal(atleast for me).

@Goremaster: Guys like you must realize that "National Socialist" Music isn't the big deal. You can be an active antifascist without surpressing art. You can be against Totalitarism without becoming an total douchebag yourself. Blind intolerance is not the best defense against intolerance.

Thanks for the good laughs.

I'm anti-Nazi, but I like NSBM. Not for the lyrical theme, but for the sound of it.

Dude I am totally on your side! Fuck nazi scum pieces of shit plagued upon the earth......
Even with the idea of "oh ideologies dont matter in music" I cant stand horrid groups such as the Nazis no matter what...

BM is supposed to be hatred,intolerance,and everything 'against'.Surprised actually that some of you are surprised this is a part of BM movement.I don't support it personally though,rather just enjoy the music and ignore the lyrics.

I am against Nazism, However if you like the fucking music by all means listen to it.
I do agree with Maddolis:
'Most metal sites also sell anti-religious propaganda but not a lot of metalheads complain about that.'
You complain about Nazism yet Condone hate against religion. If you remove one, surely you should remove the other too.

ok guys, i've had enough of this...
first off wether you like it or not, nazi elements in black metal are here to stay ! and therefor it's not a weird thing for distros to offer this shit regardless. it's a problem wich you can do nothing about. period.
second, any type of -ISM is bad, extreme left is bad, extreme right is bad,don't try and defend this type of extreme thinking in either way,shape or form cuz it will get you nowhere, both sides brainwash their followers to do shit they would normally not do as is the case with organized religion.
third, the idiot(s) that bring up anders breivik or that fucktwat vikernes deserve a good smacking across the face ! this man killed a LOT of poeple for a fucked up idealogy, and varg is just fucking retarded and brainwashed by his usurper white overlords. if i were in a room with u right now i would punch you in the face !
and kids on here that use the line '' i'm against nazis but i listen to NSBM'' are a fucking joke ! get your head out of your ass kids ! you are supporting nazis by buying and listening to this shit ! get a grip and get a life !

HAHAHAHA what is wrong with u?
first you open a topic to discuss this shit, then you get outed for being just as bad and now you act like a little kid because you got all butthurt? REALLY?!?
just to set you straight, i don't like nazi's and i don't like antifa, i believe in quiet resistence and violence free society, wich neither of your mentioned groups promote, wich makes you the enemy as well...
think of me what you want, but truth is that you are no hair better than a nazi if you choose violence to promote your ideas.
you don't even know probably what a fascist is, you'r just a little kid who wants to run with bigger people that figures something out whilst being hippies and smoking bowls...

let me burst your bubble, i am an adult and probably one of the oldest guys here (34)... you're a kid who doesn't get the full picture or implications of all this (wich is fine), but don't get butthurt when the arguement reverses on you and you don't know what to say...
and seriously... a ''social anarchist'' ? a bigger hypocrisy dos not exist mate, you can't be both, you're either social or an anarchist, one cannot co-exist with eachother wich makes me think even more that you have no fucking clue...

All i got to say is Fuck Antifa and anyone else that tries to censor bloody Metal.DIE!!!!!

I for once like nsbm. Not for their opinoins. But for their abilities to write and play good music. Hell some of my favourite acts in the bm scene are bands like Bannerwar and Sigrblot. Something that never fails to make me sigh is how people can listen to music about all kinds of violent actions and openly hostile lyrics as long as Hitler and his boys isn't mentioned. Just seems like a big pile of hypocrisy in my eyes.

Churching burnings, murder, misanthropy, bible burning, animal sacrifice and suicide are OK, but being a nazi isn't? Get fucking real hahahah!! It's called extreme metal, expect extreme lyrical themes.

I never understood how one could associate himself with racism/fascism/right wing views AND listen to metal at the same time, without becoming a hypocrite. because metal basically stands for everything these people are against or try to suppress.

Mmm.. Listening to this band now I don't really mind them being Nazi's or not. They suck anyway

If you don't like it, don't buy it. Simple as that.

I share a communist opinion, I studied all of Marx' essays, yeah, I even read works by Lenin, Mao (though I donot support those as they're dictators and their communism isn't the communism Marx had in mind) and Guevara etc etc. I'm totally against facism and race hatred. But...
I DO listen to some NSBM bands. Ad Hominem, to be honest, is one of my top 5 favorite Black Metal bands. His music is just fantatic! I can blink out the political ideologies the musicians in NSBM have, and if they're not too straight-NS-shit-in-your-face, i don't even mind about the lyrics.

- Antifa are scum, no other way about it.
- Political correctness is a plague
- People attempting to give an umbrella definition to any band that so much as lean towards a 'national socialist/radical pagan' mentality, really need to do more research.
- Nazism and Fascism are two different things
- I support racial equality but not ignorance...we are living on a planet that is currently suffering a flawed multicultural paradigm, not to mention a massive population problem....
not everything is going to be 'Kumbaya...OH MY LOOORD KUMBAYA'
- If disgusting, extreme and other hateful messages are to be expected in metal...why do we suddenly get this double standard when NS metal comes into view?
- I absolutely hate NSDAP bands, but I really like *some* NS/Pagan metal bands...there is a fundamental difference sometimes
: For example-NSDAP (ie Hitler/ Aryan Worshiping) are bands like this--> being bands that promote Third Reich mentality, such as Waffen SS, Aryan Blood or Der Sturmer.
which I find shouldn't be looped in with these groups
--> Peste Noire, Graveland or Drudkh.

...I mean, ultimately if we don't like something, why buy it?
However, musically speaking...sometimes things draw us in...
even for example a few songs from groups like Dub Buk, before I knew what their music sang about, it was the sound that drew me in...

I laugh at the whole Aryan thing though within black metal and the NSDAP ideology of it, because Hitler and supremacists alike really don't do their research. I'm all for nationalism and for proud heritage, but I'm completely against ignorance and lack of education, which is unfortunately what most "NS" bands suffer from. Proto-Germanic, early Nordic, Polish and Slavic individuals, have nothing to do with actual 'Aryan' roots ---> Ayran being of origin (sanskirt 'Arya' which means Noble) from Indo European and Indo Iranian Cultures. It is argued that the Nordic variety of this ideal, is the purest form..but the reality is the roots can be traced past white supremacy and all the way to Bronze age societies, proto Iranian people and Andronovo/Indian cutlre from 2100–1400 BCE. I wouldn't be so annoyed if it wasn't for a fact most of these NSDAP bands basically want to follow der Führer into the bunker...and the dude was a blood effing AUSTRIAN!!!.to which I say, go ahead. I'm a lot more in favor of Pagan nationalism or cultural nationalism, such as we might see in Graveland ,Wangelen,Chysta Krynycya or Drudkh as opposed to the filthy shit that is groups like : Der Sturmer or SS.....I still love Peste Noire though and given the pathetic situation and the loss of culture in France due to middle eastern insurgency, I think radical extremism is completely understandable. Do I agree with every bands message? No, but now and then...there is a valid stance.....

um...
anyways, that was quite a long side note, point being...
people need to realize, there's a difference between supporting something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lub5dAU2vTE

and supporting something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu0XQUXBTVw

Too bad some people can't spot the difference...

Just to set the record straight and clear up some shit for anyone who reads this BULLSHIT and thinks they know me personally. I don't support any group, organization, or religion. I don't care if I sell Black Metal or music with black people. I mainly support Old School Death Metal if you really know me, yes I like some Black Metal stuff and lot of them sing about WW II but doesn't make the Nazi, so get the fuck over it people. Even ABSURD has NO lyric content about Nazi, Hitler or Nazi Germany, so to call bands and label them because the German government fears them, then guess you might as well believe everything else you hear the government say, tell you, ect..... I support FREEDOM of speech and constitutional rights of ALL people, I'm a RON PAUL supporter as well 100%, so don't think I want people enslaved by anyone. In fact I think America needs to pull out of foreign affairs, stop funding Israel's wars & funding them, and worry about more important stuff other than some bands you dislike.

Look at my past and what I do today, I sign bands from all different ethic back grounds and never run a racial profile on who I sign because as long as the music is good, then all that matters. Do you see any NSBM signed to Abyss Records, NOPE and you will never see that. I might listen to some bands here and there on personal level but because I like the music for one, two they are labelled that and I could care less. Abyss Records is a label who cares about bands and the music and been doing this shit since 1993, the thing I'm know most for and it shows I love Swedish Death, Black, Thrash Metal as well other Scandinavian Metal acts. Also we have some great classics in the U.S. as well. So let's end the BS post and get to know the REAL me and not judge me because I sell couple CD's you might agree with, they are NOT in my collection either. Even though I don't listen or follow them, I don't see any metal band going to bring back the Nazi moment that would be more Skinhead music. One example people like Anal Cunt for good laughs, but same guy does Vaginal Jesus and people get bent out of shape as if Anal Cunt lyrics are nice, beating women, abortion, death, ect..... It's music and don't take it so serious when it comes to a band singing about certain topic.
Also socialism is falling more and more upon us all and I think some the bands are just black labelled by the government and then put the fear into the people that they support something which has nothing to do with the real message behind their music, know what I mean???? Anyway, hope that clears things up with any concern anyone might have. I just trying to bring back the old school vibe to music where people into all genre can cross over and get into other stuff too, no need for the hatred. I'm far from being a violent person and have O tolerance for crime, theft, anti trust and one NOT to be honest or true to themselves. I don;t and never expected everyone to agree or like what I sell or do, but know I should have stuff for most fans of Extreme Metal.... Cheers Dan

Look at this list of artist on this site, I guess they support Nazi stuff to as I see ABSURD, ABYSSIC HATE and BURZUM some the same bands that I, to Relapse, Hells Headbangers, Moribund, and many other places carry as well.

If you don't like it doesn't mean others aren't, and it certainly doesn't mean a label isn't allowed to distribute merchandise on behalf of those bands. The whole antifa thing has fucking infested the punk world into political correctness, don't let it do so to the metal scene.

Totally agree!Labels can't be hold responsible for a band's own ideology.It makes the music that counts,not politics!

I'm glad Dan @ Abyss chimed in.
Maybe this thread will finally die?

hi
who said you dont learn anything from this site-really good reading from everyone who posted.i think everyone is right on here.
all i can add to this is this:
REAL NAZIS DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT MUSIC OR ART. a lot of nazis like regular stuff like SLAYER and PANTERA because of some of the symbols they see on an album cover or something
they are out actually doing crimes like curbing (curb stomp) or beating up random people usually four against one type of situation.
i think people are being "p.c." have a good reason to be
because nazis are a negative drag on great music scene-and people dont want to see their favorite scene fucked up.trust me ive seen it.people stop going to shows because they dont want deal with the nonsense.
as for black metal bands adopting nazi imaging- its a childish playtime in an attemp to seem "more evil". i think a lot of kids in the metal or punk scene have never met with real hatred.they know what it might like but never really been around it in any real sense. and hopefully those who havent never will.
that negativity does or can change someones perception of this type of music and what someone at one time sees as pure and innocent look back at it with regret. ive seen people leave the scene because of it.
one last thing about nazi bands in general i agree it seems that black metal bands just flirt with the idealogy-but real nazi bands are trying to recruit listeners-thats totally different than say any and all metal bands (which is entertainment/art)-come on
CANNIBAL CORPSE is not trying to recruit people into cannibals
but real nazi bands aims are different
so i can see why people are sensitive about it.
cheers